proper carabiner?

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theskyking

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I want a "double eyed" carabiner to secure my anchor line to. One ring on the carabiner to hold the line, the other part of the carabiner to open so I can get it onto the boat hook on the bow. Can anyone recommend something? It would look something like this.
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But obviously the above isn't the right tool.
 
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Re: proper carabiner?

if you are taking about attaching the anchor line to your bow eye I use one of these

Safety Spring Hook, 3-15/16", Stainless Steel - Seasense 50011436 - iboats

I have two of them since I have an anchor locker, one for the bow eye and the other attaches the anchor line to the locker so that there is no chance of losing my anchor line to the lake, my anchor line is always attached to the boat, I can shorten or lengthen my line at will and never have to worry about losing the rode.
 
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Re: proper carabiner?

you guys really think that camming out is an issue when the bow hook is holding the spring hook? I understand the concept of camming out but the situation you posted is when the spring hook is up from the hold, in this case slack can let the hook slip down and then cam out but in a boat it is reverse and the spring hook has gravity holding it down from the bow loop, I don't see how camming out can happen.


Anyway Sorry for the Hijack.
 
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Re: proper carabiner?

LippCJ7 said:
you guys really think that camming out is an issue when the bow hook is holding the spring hook? I understand the concept of camming out but the situation you posted is when the spring hook is up from the hold, in this case slack can let the hook slip down and then cam out but in a boat it is reverse and the spring hook has gravity holding it down from the bow loop, I don't see how camming out can happen...
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It depends on the situation.
A Carabiner holding the Bow eye in a light breeze on an inland lake may never cam out in a million years.

The same configuration holding a boat against a storm with the Bow Eye going underwater on each wave and the Anchor line going slack for a fraction of a second each time is a different situation.

The waves on my lake wash the Bow Eye every time I anchor.
Everyones experience will be different.
 
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Re: proper carabiner?

LippCJ7 said:
you guys really think that camming out is an issue when the bow hook is holding the spring hook?
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A good friend thought the same thing until his $150 SS anchor "came undone" while being retrieved. Needless to say, he now uses a clevis with a wire holding the pin in place.

I've lost a planer board twice and they don't slack. Jump cam just by the wave action
 
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Nearly every carabiner I've ever seen is aluminum. Whether cast or billet, aluminum is soft and is easily bent. Bend it fast and it breaks. And then there's the hinges on the things, the hinge point is just a weak link in an already weak link.

I'm surprised mountain climbers trust the things, I wouldn't.
 
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Frantically Relaxing said:
Nearly every carabiner I've ever seen is aluminum. Whether cast or billet, aluminum is soft and is easily bent. Bend it fast and it breaks. And then there's the hinges on the things, the hinge point is just a weak link in an already weak link.

I'm surprised mountain climbers trust the things, I wouldn't.
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ok I can help you with this, I'm a trained/certified high angle tower rescue climber, yeah you are right most carabiners are aluminum but for life safety they are not, steel 2 stage autolocking 53kn (or stronger)is the only type we are allowed to use for top anchors and safety lines/apparatus, any situation carrying the loads, aluminum carabiners are for positioning only, any safety line has to use the steel 53kn(or stronger) carabiners.

Mountain climbers, things are different, weight is a big deal so carrying steel is not an option, often times they go with multiple anchors on the same point in order to make a safe anchor point, or they may set multiple anchors along a pitch in order to provide a safer situation knowing that the possibility the line may pop multiple anchors and zipper is real, hopefully one holds LOL

And that's why I question the reasoning why you shouldn't use spring hooks to attach anchors to bow eyes, I have extensive experience in the use of carabiners, caming out is a very real situation for me, were always aware of it because well we can die if they fail, long fall with a quick abrupt stop. But this situation is completely different, I suppose it could be possible to cam out but I have a hard time seeing it, you need slack and twisting to cam out, over time with swirling winds yeah I can see anchor line twisting to the point where it begins to bind the spring hook and then cam out but I'm not sure my boat will be on the water that long!
 
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Re: proper carabiner?

I actually had it happen ... my jetski anchor has a carabiner on the boat end of the rope...... I once thought the carabiner had broken until I finally managed to snag the rope and pull it up...... the carabiner was in tact so either it cam'ed out or someone unhooked it.... the second option is really unlikely considering that all present were close friends

I still use it but it isn't the right thing to use
 
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