Proper engine height

diaric

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I don;t know, was hoping you guys would. there is a lot of turbulance getting up to full speed, and more with extra weight her.The boat creates a lot more wake and spray than my buddies larger boat did. maybe the rough texture on the hull causes some of it. does the motor look to high? in the 2nd last shot you can see that there isn't a lot in the water. At least the tilt trim doesn't appear to be an issue now, all the spray coming up the sides of it are gone.
 

Crownie2

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OK, looks like your transducer is creating that spray. Assuming it's mounted per manufacturers instructions, not much you can do about that.

As far as height goes, from last shot looks good, providing you are not getting a lot of ventilation on acceleration - what are your max RPM's and speed now?

Bob
 

diaric

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my max speed has never changed, still 29-31 mph depending on water conditions, based on speedometer in fish finder. RPM's I'm still waiting for tach to arrive so I know where I'm at. I think I'm a little under propped as I can back the motor out a bit and speed doesn't change and motor sounds better. Will know soon, i hope. Only time I get ventilation is when trying to trim up a bit more in water thats a little choppy. It wants a little more trim,but can't give it in this case. If i could find a better prop I would go for it. Ive never seen a SS prop for this engine
 

diaric

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just hooked up the new tach. with 2 adults, full fishing gear, electric trolling motor, 2 extra batteries, full fuel. did 30-31 mph at 5200-5300 rpm and i think its 1.7:1 gear ratio. about as good as i think I'll get without finding a better prop, unless anyone has any better ideas? prop ideas are welcome. lol
 

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From what I can see from the pics, the prop wash off the blade is visable and I think I can see the antivent plate. that says that your engine isn't too deep in the water at WOT.

Your comment about backing off I don't think is prop related. I think that is the engine in the "cruise" mode where they keep the timing fully advanced and reduce the butterfly opening in the carbs.

Your rpm's tell me that you are not under propped. The engine will/should be rated 4750 to 5250 or 5000 to 5500 so you are right there in rpm's......at or near the upper limit.

On trimming out and what I see from your pics, a SS prop should help your performance, and may allow you to trim out more before blowout, but selection will be tricky.

Since you should get better performance off it, and be able to trim out more, the boat speed should increase and as a result the rpm's should increase. This should counter the rpm reduction that you should expect by the cupping that SS props usually have which bite the water harder .

So If it were me, I'd be looking for a 3 blade SS of the same dia and pitch as you currently have....optimum suggestion.

I just web searched iboats, Michigan wheel and Merc and didn't find any SS props for your engine as you said.

However, I did find a Michigan prop designed for 74-76 500 Mercs. You might call Michigan wheel and ask them why that prop won't fit your '66 model.

The 10 1/2 x 10 is MWC # 033093
The 10 1/2 x 12 is MWC # 033094

Might give Kenny a holler (Walleyhed) on here and get his opinion as he is the prop expert.

The 10P would give you better hole shot and let your rpm's come up some which may be your best bet. But the SS is a much better performer than aluminum and you might get what you want with the 12P. On pitch, sometimes more is not better. But then if you loose performance with the reduced pitch (10P.......which I doubt) you won't be happy with the setup.

I went to your original input on this thread and you mentioned poorer hole shot and acceleration, but WOT was the same with the CMC.

I think that has been answered correctly by tilt unit dragging in the water at the lower speeds. But you are having to offset more transom weight by the installation of the CMC. The trim will/can help your hole shot and WOT.

You and Kenny will have to decide that, if in fact the MWC SS will fit your engine, whether you would use the 10P or 12P.

Stay in touch and good luck.

Pics were great.
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One final comment. I was running a SS prop of 24" pitch at 5600 rpms WOT. I bought the finest alum I could find (Hustler) but could only get it in 23 pitch (not 24) .

You would think that the WOT rpm's would increase a couple hundred with the 1" drop in pitch. Not So!!!!! My WOT rpms actually dropped to 5000!!!! The difference in performance between the SS and Al overcame that difference......I think the thinner SS blades made the biggest difference as the AL is supposed to be a hot dog for alums.

That is why I said that if the 12P (MWC # 033094) will fit your engine, I think I would be inclined to go with it over the 10P.......my 2c.

Mark
 

diaric

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Mark, thank you for your information, very in depth and lots of info. I would jump on a SS if I could find such a beast. The reason it won't fit is that 62-69 is an 11 spline hub. With the advent of interchange hubs, you'd think there would be one, but no where from where I've looked. I've got 2 original merc 11P props now, if it were possible to donate a hub from one to create such a hub, I would go for it.
The poor hole shot portion of the post was about the new propco 10 1/2x 11p prop i installed. top speed never changed, but hole shot dissapeared and and handling became horrible. boat was scary to steer at speed. I should try it again now that the tilt trim issue has been dealt with. any advice on how to upgrade to a SS would be appreaciated, thanks again
 

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www.jamespropeller.net has been doing props for Dallas, TX area residents for 30 years. He very well may be able to put the right prop together for you for not a lot of money; I know he can.

Also, you might run the numbers by him to see what he recommends for a SS in terms of pitch.

You've put so much work into this, would surely like to see you get the stellar performance you deserve.

Mark
 

Texasmark

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If you don't like that url, try this one. Looks like he moved the main operation to Lake Fork, TX; one of the premier super big bass lakes in the US........wouldn't be because he likes to fish and all and this is just an excuse to be close to it......naw. :love:

www.lakeforkinfo.com/jamespropeller.htm

Mark
 

Texasmark

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One more for good measure......bump that is. d:)
 

diaric

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I've sent off an email, just have to wait for a response. Too bad Kenny hasn't added any input into how to get a SS prop for this motor
 

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I'd love to help, but Merc themselves do not build even an aluminum replacement. All 11 spline props were discontinued.
 

diaric

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thanks kenny, you don't know if anyone could build an interchangeble hub in 11 spline so that the newer better props could be used? I have spare old alum props that could be donated for the hub.
email address for james propellors doesn't work, undeliverable
 
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