Purely theoretical question about multi-engine ops

jtexas

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This is just to satisfy my curiosity. There were some Homeland Security boats with three and four outboards on CSI Miami last night and it made me wonder - can you just keep adding engines and make your boat go faster and faster? I guess the next engine relieves some of the load so you can step up the prop pitch, but surely there's a limit - an "ultimate top speed" of a motor - a point where the next engine adds nothing? I mean, can you put enough 50hp's on a bass boat to get the same performance as a 300hp?
 

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Re: Purely theoretical question about multi-engine ops

Several considerations.<br /><br />1. Being the ability of the transom or motor mount to support the weight and thrust.<br /><br />2. The more engines you add, the more lower units in the water and the more the drag. One 150 hp will surely outperform 2 75's because of the weight advantage and lower drag.<br /><br />I have noticed a Yammie ad where they have a really big CS offshore flying bridge fisherman running 3 (250 hp mind you) Yammies in tandem....er ah threesome. But forget the Yammie's. Check out the gal next to the guy at the throttles......oops I didn't say that. <br /><br />Mark
 

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Re: Purely theoretical question about multi-engine ops

Several considerations.<br /><br />1. Being the ability of the transom or motor mount to support the weight and thrust.<br /><br />2. The more engines you add, the more lower units in the water and the more the drag. One 150 hp will surely outperform 2 75's because of the weight advantage and lower drag.<br /><br />I have noticed a Yammie ad where they have a really big CS offshore flying bridge fisherman running 3 (250 hp mind you) Yammies in tandem....er ah threesome. But forget the Yammie's. Check out the gal next to the guy at the throttles......oops I didn't say that. <br /><br />Mark
 

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Re: Purely theoretical question about multi-engine ops

I had an OMC engineer tell me once (now take it for what it's worth considering the source) that there's a general theory about that. Obviously a lot has to do with hull design. At the time we were doing a tripple V8 V bottom and they (OMC) had done some dual V8 Scarabs (and Regans tripple V8 Scarab) so I kinda figure we're talking about big V bottom rigs.<br /><br />He said the second motor added about 25% more thrust, the third about 15% and a fourth about 5%. I'm not sure what he considered thrust or how he measured it. I do know he was talking about increased drag (gearcases) and increased weight (engines as well as fuel load).
 

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Re: Purely theoretical question about multi-engine ops

I don't know about the performance....but man three outboards look cool!!!
 

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Re: Purely theoretical question about multi-engine ops

I mean, can you put enough 50hp's on a bass boat to get the same performance as a 300hp?
Purely theoretical, yes. In actuality, no. While you may need 6 50s to get 300hp you'll need 8 or so to make up for the weight & drag. And then, it still won't be equal, cause the fuel burn will be higher on the multiples.<br /><br />I have wondered why you would need 4 engines, especially when you can get 300hp outboards. Two of them is way better than 4 225 or 250s in my opinion. But 4 engines sure does look Cool! Way cooler than studly's wimpy three! ;) :p
 

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Re: Purely theoretical question about multi-engine ops

The only reason to use 3 is if there isnt room for 4.
 

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Re: Purely theoretical question about multi-engine ops

It was a slow day - I got to thinking, twins I can understand from a redundancy/safety aspect but how can it add any speed? Say you were pushing a piano on a 4-wheel dolly, and you kept accelerating until you were running flat out - it wouldn't matter how many helpers you had, you couldn't go any faster (until you got to a downhill slope). <br /><br />Then I realized, if you were pushing your pickup truck, and maybe your girlfriend was still miffed cause you turned your head to check out the babe in the Miata (2 days ago), so she secretly engages the parking brake just a little, to where you can't hardly move it - a helper means the difference between moving and not moving at all. So with each additional motorist who stops to assist, you gain a bit of speed, right? Until you reach the top speed of the slowest helper. But in this analogy instead of letting go, he hangs on and slows the rest of you down. But even with perfectly matched engines all contributing equally - they only go so fast.<br /><br />So the only reason to add an outboard (apart from redundancy) would be if the one you have is woefully inadequate. And it should be obvious that fewer bigger engines will always be way more efficient than more smaller ones.<br /><br />Okay, that and the coolness factor. :cool: <br /><br />Anyways I got curious about whether my analogies would hold water, so to speak.
 

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Re: Purely theoretical question about multi-engine ops

But 4 engines sure does look Cool! Way cooler than studly's wimpy three!
I've got 3 300's on a 14' johnboat!!!!<br /><br />Crap! I'm sinking!!!! :eek:
 

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Re: Purely theoretical question about multi-engine ops

Yeah, how about the Merc commercial of yesteryear where the guy is running a 9.9 on the back of a dining room table he is riding in....legs up in the air, of course. Looks cool but don't stop. Grin.<br /><br />Mark
 
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