Quality of music

Andrew Leigh

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Hi,<br /><br />You said quality of music CJY. I think you refer perhaps to what you like? Apparently what you like is also what I like ;) .<br /><br />Having said which, there are equivilents to the Zep's, Deep Purple, Kansas, Tull the list is endless. They are not the only supergroups, more recently to name but a few Metallica, Nivarna etc. these are the modern Zep's. We just prefer to listen to what we know and like.<br /><br />I think that individual musicianship has improved dramatically. Though a Jimmy Page fan I could name a dozen guitarists that would blow him away completely, they are technically more competent, can play more genre's etc. But ... you may not like their style. Unlike the 60's through to mid 70's more and more kids are becoming schooled musicians to cope with the competitiveness of the industry.<br /><br />Equipment has improved so have recording techniques. The average garage band is able to cut a CD at minimal cost with superb quality. The Beatles used a noisy 4 track in Abbey Road.<br /><br />I think that the quality of music has improved.<br /><br />What perhaps has not improved is the longevity of bands, allowing them to get real "tight". Steve Morse (5 X Guitar Player Magazine guitarist of the year) said that when he joined Deep Purple he was amazed at the bands ability to write songs, understand where each other is going musically and their ability to feed off each other etc. They're tight.<br /><br />Take JB, he lists the 4 b's. That is what he is accustomed to and therefore likes to listen to. Not once did he quote any of the rock supergroups.<br /><br />In our day it was termed "underground" or "heavy music". Parents hated it calling it noise. Do we not say the same about speed metal, death metal and my personal hate, Rap. <br /><br />Clapton went into self imposed exile for a time , "god" as he was called was also called the "master of the cliche" for his boring uninventive solo's. In no mans book can Mr. Clapton come close to the modern guitarist, but if you like what he writes, and he has some stunning numbers, him you will be prepared to overlook things. <br /><br />Perhaps we were lucky to have experienced music from an era that had massive changes and very innovative musicians.<br /><br />Music is about what pleases the ear, if you like "You made me blow my cool" by the Frozen Nostrils then so be it ;) .<br /><br />I have always liked what I have thought to be the more complex innovative bands.<br /><br />Pink Floyd<br />Supertramp<br />The Strawbs<br />Emerson, Lake and Palmer<br />Joe Satriani<br />Steve Vai<br />Steve Morse<br />The Who<br />Jethro Tull<br /><br />not to mention those already stated.<br /><br />Somehow missed out on Yes, The Allman Brothers.<br /><br />Ah well enough ramblings.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Andrew<br /><br />But in essence i'm with you and they will have to drag me kicking an screaming into the new world order.
 

18rabbit

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Nice thing about Joe Satriani is if you buy the ‘Surfing with the Alien’ album you have an anthology of everything he has ever done, or ever will do...because all of his stuff sounds the same.<br /><br />The Allman Bros were ok, much better live. Duane Allman was phenomenal but his best stuff was recorded as a studio musician, without the Allman Bros, i.e. the ‘Layla’ album by Derek and The Dominos (Clapton), w/Bozz Skaggs, etc. D!cky Betts was under-rated, Marc Allman is over-rated.<br /><br />If you like music, you need to be here. I think there is more musical talent per sq ft in the San Francisco Bay Area than anywhere else. Back in the early 90’s I was doing a sea trial on a boat, left the launch and headed home. Stopped at a Burger King in Redwood City to call in a pizza to pick up on the way. As I’m standing at the payphone a powder blue (baby blue) Rolls Royce pulls into the handicap parking spot. Something about a Rolls in the handicapped parking gets your attention. An old black man wearing a brimmed hat slowly gets out. Yeah, he’s moving slow, head down, obviously belongs in handicapped. As he steps up on the curb next to me, he raises his head and looks at me. There I am on the payphone ordering my pizza, face to face with John Lee Hooker going into Burger King to get a burger his way, and neither of us has a guitar.<br /><br />That reminds me, I will not buy any Santana music until he records real music. John Lee Hooker used to play small venues and bars around the Bay Area. On one occasion Carlos Santana popped in. Just the two of them, sitting on stools playing their guitars. Hooker took a break and left Santana to play solo for almost an hr. Man can that guy play, I mean really, really play a guitar. Nothing like the stuff he records, a hundred times better! But the stuff he records is always that mediocre Latin based rock, except for his first recording, the ‘Sessions’ album by Stephen Stills, Al Kooper, and Mike Bloomfield.<br /><br />If you want to indulge in some Louisiana blues, Tab Benoit and his band tosses everything into a stretch SUV and tours the 48 states playing small venues and bars. Check his website for dates near you. He’s really good, worth seeing.<br /><br />Anyone that wants to try some new talent, snag a copy of ‘Etterna’ by Emma Shapplin. It’s supposedly part of a newer genre of music, opera over techno, but I don’t hear it that way. She is very talented, beautiful vocals, wish I knew what she was saying. I’m told it’s French, but I don’t know. It just sounds beautiful.
 

JB

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Guitarists?<br /><br />Any one heard of Andre Segovia?
 

KilroyJC

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Nice choice, JB!<br /><br />**** Dale, anyone? Especially on acoustic...<br /><br />Edit: The filter zapped the first name!<br /><br />insert diminutive of "Richard"
 

18rabbit

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> Guitarists?<br /><br />Any one heard of Andre Segovia?
Yeah, when Santana was playing by himself that time he was playing something very similar to what Segovia does.<br /><br />If you like Segovia, you’ll probably also like Armik (only the one name). He’s an Egyptian that learned guitar in south America, has a bit more of a contemporary sound, but the same kind of talent as Segovia. Kind of a cross between Segovia and Ottmar Liebert but better than Liebert, much smoother.
 

18rabbit

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Originally posted by KilroyJC:<br /> <br />**** Dale, anyone? Especially on acoustic...<br />
I reserve a particular fondness for surf music but haven’t heard Dale’s acoustic stuff. Never cared for the stuff D!ck Dale (the one-string-wonder*) did with Stevie Ray Vaughn. Tom Petty’s band (The Heartbreakers) did a surf instrumental CD sans Tom. It’s called “Surf–N-Burn” by the Blue String Rays”. Also, check out the Blue Hawaiians, a more contemporary surf sound that actual works, decent cover of ‘Shakin’ All Over’. Tight band and the CDs have good audio quality.<br /><br />*One-string-wonder – D!ck Dale took a classic Greek folk song and played it way too fast on one guitar string. We know it as ‘Misirlou’. Dale later re-recorded Misirlou using more guitar strings but it doesn’t have the same gutsy feel to it. The song Misirlou and the movie Pulp Fiction; referencing one recalls the other.
 

KilroyJC

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18r - <br /><br />My cd rack is 95% surf/spy instrumental. I got into the instrumental stuff back when the "Seattle Bands" were popular, because I could not STAND the whiney mopey screeching and doom&gloom lyrics that had taken over the airways. Not to mention everything discussed in .pony.'s posting on rap...<br /><br />Discovered the Surf Channel on Spinner.com (Now http://music.aol.com/radioguide/bb.adp?suppressRadio=true ) and have been happily listening to surf music from around the world (yes - there are Croatian surf bands!) and loving every minute of it.<br /><br />BTW - I really like the version of "Goldfinger" on Surf-N-Burn<br /> :)
 

AJ168

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I can't stand the "new country".. Most new music either... IMHO, It's 100% fake, no real feeling, mass produced, over-compressed and over-produced, pop culture garbage... The equivilant of being musically dead... [[Frown]] Speaks volumes about our culture too...<br />
I have to disagree with that. Just look at Carrie Underwood. We know that she can sing the more lucrative forms of todays music but for some reason she's stuck with country. Never even listened to her music until I hear Jesus Take the Wheel on the radio. That's got to be one of the best songs I've ever heard. That song's full of meaning even if that's never happened to her. All about following in the right path. Then there's Little Big Town's Boondocks. All about being proud of where you came from. Same thing with Faith Hill's Mississippi Girl. Today's country is full of meaning, that's why it's one of the only kinds of music I ever listen to. The things that the songs are about may not have happened to that artist but most songs have a good Christian meaning. Plus it's anti-rap which makes it all that much better.
 

RubberFrog

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You lost me at faith Hill. She is the biggest pop sell-out of them all! As far as anti-rap, didn't faith's husband do a song with 50 cent?
 

dogsdad

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I have a theory on what happened to music.<br /><br />Music went to hell because of MTV. When MTV first came on the scene, there was still a lot of good creativity going on out there, and a good video was gravy. Slowly but surely it all became about the video, and the music became no more than an afterthought.<br /><br />I'm not saying that all new music sucks, but I am saying there are a lot of people out there cashing in on next-to-no-talent. And, I am saying that a lot of what I hear for the first time these days is absolute GARBAGE.
 

Dave Abrahamson

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Originally posted by 18R:<br /> If you want to indulge in some Louisiana blues, Tab Benoit and his band tosses everything into a stretch SUV and tours the 48 states playing small venues and bars. Check his website for dates near you. He’s really good, worth seeing.
Good call 18R...I've been a fan of Tab for a while. As a matter of fact, I have tickets to see him AND James Thackery at Skippers Smokehouse in Tampa this Friday....won't be the first time. Looking forward to it.<br />
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12Footer

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Eons ago, when i was in government school, we had to take a course called "music appreciation". We had a choice between that, or taking-up "band". Seeinz how my MoM taught keyboard for a living, i already received as much "hands-on" as i could stand :rolleyes: <br /><br />sorry for digressing. Anyhoo, the teacher used to play a lot of classical stuff along with Beach Boys, Benny Goodman (SP) and Earl Skruggs.<br />Needless to say, i learned what good music was.<br />There really is but one omnipotent prerequisite for "good" when it comes to music. If it makes you laugh, cry, angry, sad, joyfull, or draws-out any other human emotion of any kind in you, it is "good music". Great music is just music that does this with a bullet.<br /><br /> Samey-same with any other "ART", imho.
 
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