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LubeDude

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Originally posted by TheOilDoc:<br /> I am not aware that automotive synthetic gear lubes will outperform marine synthetic gear lubes in marine environments, or that they carry the necessary additives to combat possible water contamination.<br /><br />I would certainly suggest a marine synthetic gear lube over an automotive synthetic gear lube.
I know of at least three different Marine Synthetic gear lubes that are just relabeled automotive fluids. All the Synthetic gear lubes I have checked with the manufactures on are ok for marine aplications.
 

KaGee

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Originally posted by Stan's Customs:<br /> <br />...since marketing tends to slant good judgement. The most expensive is not always the best, marine labeled or otherwise...<br />
I agree Stan.
<br />WC FIELDS...<br />"I didn't squawk about the steak, dear. I merely said I didn't see that old horse that used to be tethered outside here."<br />(Never Give a Sucker an Even Break)
It's like LD said about certain products being re-packaged. I believe it happens all the time. We think we are gettin A-1 Prime cut, but it's just the old horse that's been around awhile.
 

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Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /><br />I know of at least three different Marine Synthetic gear lubes that are just relabeled automotive fluids.
Could you please list those? <br /><br />Please include the amount and type of additives present in the automotive-labeled oil vs. the marine-labeled oil so we can verify they are the same. <br /><br />I would like to evaluate that information for members here. Thank you.
 

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oildoc<br /><br />scince the additives seam to be a trade sercet type thing i dont no of anyone who is going to supply them and they dont read any different on the back lable <br /><br />i do use merc syn but nothing on the lable reads any different than mobil one other then (merc)<br /><br />you keep saying you are going to evaluate that information for menbers here but have not seen you do that in any of the oil posts i would think you should be able to compare merc to mobil 1 to penzoil marine and provide us with real information as to why one is better than the other<br /><br />tommays
 

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Member tommays:<br /><br />Without evaluating exactly what additives are in the oils that member LubeDude mentions (whatever oils those are) we have no way to verify that they are the same. Container labeling alone is not sufficient.<br /><br />
Originally posted by tommays:<br /><br />you keep saying you are going to evaluate that information for menbers here but have not seen you do that in any of the oil posts
I have been given no information to evaluate.<br /><br />On two separate occasions I have asked member LubeDude to support his comments with something more than anecdotal opinion. He has provided nothing.<br /><br />Member LubeDude referenced one of my comments with rebuttal. I am simply asking him to list the three oils he mentions, and support his claims with facts.<br /><br />There may well be automotive gear oils that are simply relabeled as marine. I would like to verify what those are and what makes them the same.
 

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oildoc<br /><br />as sead before i have not seen you post any facts beyond what i can read in my manual<br /><br />you seam ready to call lubedude on anything he posts and unable to post any helpfull facts that support your position beyond what is writen in my service manual<br /><br />i would think you could post some facts that support you position if they exist in print<br /><br />tommays
 

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Originally posted by tommays:<br /> oildoc<br /><br />as sead before I have not seen you post any facts beyond what I can read in my manual<br /><br />you seam ready to call lubedude on anything he posts and unable to post any helpfull facts that support your position beyond what is writen in my service manual<br /><br /><br />tommays
Well, there is at least one that feels as I do.<br /><br />Like Ive posted before, I have been doing what I do for over 25 years, back when the only way of finding out anything was writing letters and being on the phone. And as I have said, "Im no engineer". I have taken a lot of time finding out the things I know, and I dont think I owe it to anyone to devulge any imformation period.<br /><br />I dont speak in technical term much, there are just a few here that want that anyway, and I prefer to speak in laymans terms.<br /><br />Im not trying to baffle anyone with BS, or try to show how much I know. Just what I know. Im just your regular kind of guy with an interest I enjoy sharing.<br /><br />One of the gear lubes is Amsoil gear lube, the others we will just leave it up to Someone else to find out on there own.
 

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It sounds more like a battle between LubeDude and OilDoc more than anything to do with oils.<br />You guys have hijacked this post that started in May, plus the other post with over 125 posts.<br />Don't you think it's time we finally move on?
 

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Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /><br />One of the gear lubes is Amsoil gear lube
Amsoil does not re-label their automotive gear oil as marine gear oil.<br /><br />A complete list of Amsoil's gear oils can be found here:<br /><br /> http://www.amsoil.com/products/gearlubes/index.htm <br /><br /> <br />The basic properties of their 80W-90 Marine Gear Lube can be found here:<br /><br /> http://www.amsoil.com/products/agt_alu.htm <br /><br /><br />The basic properties of their 80W-90 automotive gear oil can be found here:<br /><br /> http://www.amsoil.com/products/agl.htm <br /><br /><br />The only thing common with these two gear oils is their 80W-90 viscosity. <br /><br />The Marine oil carries the GL-4 spec.<br />The Automotive oil carries the GL-5 spec. <br /><br />The Marine oil carries the MIL-L-2105D spec.<br />The Automotive oil carries the MIL-PRF-2105E spec.<br /><br />The Marine oil has a Kinematic Viscosity @ 40'C of 129 cSt.<br />The Automotive oil has a Kinematic Viscosity @ 40'C of 116 cSt.<br /><br />The Marine oil has a Flash Point of 435'F.<br />The Automotive oil has a Flash Point of 424'F.<br /><br />The Marine oil has a Pour Point of -33'F.<br />The Automotive oil has a Pour Point of -43.6'F.<br /><br />Clearly the two oils have different additives which represent their labels, and the Marine labeled gear oil should be used in marine applications.<br /><br /><br />
Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /><br />the others we will just leave it up to Someone else to find out on there own.
You indicated you knew of at least three. Amsoil is not one. It would be appreciated if you could list the others for us. Thank you.
 

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Originally posted by tommays:<br /><br />i would think you could post some facts that support you position if they exist in print
I am sorry I have somehow offended you.<br /><br />My position is to provide my services here free and at my own will. I have over 30 years technical experience in evaluating oils and testing them in marine engines. It is not my position to make anecdotal comments about how oil is labeled or what oil is best. I like to present members with all the facts that I can in a proffessional manner, while reminding myself not to get too technical.<br /><br />Member Don S:<br /><br />I am also sorry if I somehow offended you. I felt my comments pertained to the original question and offered some resolve. I was hoping member LubeDude could answer my question and provide further explanation of his statements. Offending members was not my intention. <br /><br />For some reason I have not been welcome or appreciated here since I joined.
 

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Originally posted by TheOilDoc:<br />
Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /><br />QUOTE]Amsoil does not re-label their automotive gear oil as marine gear oil.<br /><br />
So call them and ask them. If they are not the same, then they have changed since the last time I talked to them. Why would they tell that to one of there dealers if it were not true. There 80-90 gear lube is the same as the 80-90 Marine.
 

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Originally posted by TheOilDoc:<br />
<br />For some reason I have not been welcome or appreciated here since I joined.
I dont think this is the case at all.<br /> And oh by the way, I may be eating crow here before all in a few, we will see. <br /><br />I think its just a difference of opinion, and you will just have to get the feel of the people here as I did, I felt that way also for a while. Your input is indeed welcome here. You just come accross a little straight by the book for some of us. You have to figure that you are dealing with around 50,000 people when ya say something, and we are talking about a subject that is somewhat like a religion, and we all know not to go there.
 

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OilDoc,<br /><br />Don't worry about it. Some of us DO appreciate the technical side based on credible data. I realize asking for facts isn't personal but it seems to go that way at times. It's really a nice day.<br /><br />BillP :D
 

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oildoc<br /><br />i find that in general posts that give facts and offer solutions that the poster has found to solve problems are appreciated if i think they are right or wrong really does not matter unless they involve a clear safety problem i will just post what has worked for me<br /><br />i find that anybody that has taken the time to type in over 3000 posts should get a littel respect but thats just me <br /><br />for what ever reason you seam to be on a mission to prove that lubedudes posts are wrong rather than just post your view on something backed up with your facts <br /><br />tommays
 

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Originally posted by tommays:<br />for what ever reason you seam to be on a mission to prove that lubedudes posts are wrong rather than just post your view on something backed up with your facts <br /><br />tommays
There was a fellow that did just that in the past, and I really thought that TheOilDoc Was him at first when he came on, "Still sorry for that one". I dont thing that is the intention of TheOilDoc at this point, we just are looking at things a little differently.<br /><br />Again, TheOilDoc, thanks for setting me straight.
 

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I for one feel like there is the potential to learn from the discussion, as long as it remains respectful.
 
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