Questions on sanding boat "prep work"

Just_a_Kid

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Hello,<br /><br />I have done a lot of searching on here to find out more info on how much sanding I need to do . The boat I am working on restoring is a flat bottom boat and the top part has a different color than the bottom.... I am more concerned about the top part because it looks like crap right now.<br /><br />Anyways what I did read was about wet sanding. I bought some 220 grit sand paper I believe ? and started sanding away w/ it wet to see what happened.... in one spot it went through the paint all the way and you can see a clear coat..<br /><br />My question is do I have to sand the entire boat down that far to the clear coat ? Or do I give it a good sand and then prime/paint from there ? Any help on this would help .. I don't want to end up making more work for myself ... or making it look worse.<br /><br />thanks
 

JasonB

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Re: Questions on sanding boat "prep work"

Not sure in your situation, but on my boat which still has much of the originak gel coat, I sanded the enture boat with 220 grit and will finish with 3 coats of primer and 3+ of color. Just make sure you have a solid base that your paint will stick to and I would think you would be ok, but I'm guessing. Others will be around soon who know much more than myself.
 

rage

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Re: Questions on sanding boat "prep work"

All your looking to do is "scuff" up the surface to allow paint to stick better. Make sure you dont miss any spots, have "dull" sand paper, or have any flaking paint. Any areas where paint is flaking you will have to sand till it stops (filling any void created). Then prime & paint. Dont forget to sand between coats of primer and paint.
 

Just_a_Kid

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Re: Questions on sanding boat "prep work"

So if I just have to scuff it up ... then do I use a not so fine sand paper ? Right now I am working w/ 220 ? And do I just sand it dry and then wash everything down w/ some kind of paint prep ?<br /><br />thanks again guys.
 

lenny2113

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Re: Questions on sanding boat "prep work"

I am now on the final stage of what you're doing. <br />I have sanded the original gel coat to a dull finish using 150 grit sand paper. I used orbital sander to do this job.<br />Small hair like scratches I sanded down all the way untill it disapeared. <br />I used 2 part epoxy filler to fill dip scratches and cracks. <br />Sanding to a smooth finish is the key to good job. <br />I used white Pre-Kote Interlux primer. I used foam roller to apply primer on the finished sides of the boat. Primer is very good and will even cover dark colors. My boat was red and I saw no trace of red after I was done with primering.<br /><br />Now, when your primer is dry what you need to do is give it a nice sand using 220 grit paper. <br />Don't worry if you sand all the way through primer to a bare finish on edges. What you want to get is a smooth finish on primer. <br />You want to get rid of "orange peel" feel of the primer. If you do that you will have less work with paint coats. <br /><br />When you're done with this, whipe all surface with acetone and follow with a tack cloth.<br /><br />I don't know how you're going to paint your boat, as there are a few options. I spray painted mine.<br />After you're done with a first coat, use wet sand paper 320 grit to give it a little sand. <br />Do not sand for too long in one place. I wouldn't use power sander or sand block. I used a half a sheet of sand paper folded and applied light pressure to it with the palm of my hand. It's just my preference, but it's easier to control it this way. You wouldn't be able to feel how much to sand with a sand block. Your paper should be wet all the time , so as the sanding surface. <br />If you hear sand paper squeeck, it needs water. <br /><br />Before the second coat you need to wipe surface with tack cloth again. <br />Now you're ready to paint second coat. <br />After the second coat, lightly wet sand the boat with 600 grit sand paper and follow up with polishing. <br /><br />I hope it helps. <br />It also depends on what type of paint you will use. <br />I used Interlux Brightside Polyurethane paint (single part). <br />To thin it down to the right thickness you need a special solvant.<br />Iinterlux 333 if you are using roller to paint.<br />Interlux 216 if you will be spraying.<br /><br />And lastly, I just need to warn you:<br />Do not try to use a $70 dollar HomeDepo electrical spray gun. It will not do the job right. <br /><br />I can't stress this enough, Sanding!!! is the key to a job well done. If properly prepared surface is painted with a spray gun or a roller, you should get excellent results. <br /><br />I hope it helps <br />Best of luck,<br />Lenny
 

BillP

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Re: Questions on sanding boat "prep work"

Hey Lenny,<br />What is the product # of the Interlux sanding sealer? It is soft and easy to take down quickly? Did you thin it? Have you every used the old #244 sanding sealer they used to make to compare with?<br />I'm doing an old crazed hull and also going to change from red to an off white. <br /><br />Bill
 

lenny2113

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Re: Questions on sanding boat "prep work"

Bill,<br />I don't know the part number. It is called Pre-Kote and is sold in a yellow can. It is "one stage" (has no hardener) and I also think it is specifically formulated to use with Brightside Polyurethane 1 part paint. <br />If the part number is very important, I will find out on weekend and post it here. Just let me know.<br /><br />The primer is not soft, you will go through many sheets of sand paper. I used 220 grit. I did not thin the primer, just applied it as it was right out of the can. <br />Sorry, I have no idea about #244 primer. <br />I will paint a 3rd coat this Saturday, hope it won't rain here in NY. <br /><br />Good luck :) <br /><br />Lenny
 
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Re: Questions on sanding boat "prep work"

hey there,<br /><br />I am in the process of pasinting with armorpoxy and its turning out great. . I have 4 coats of both colors(white and yellow) on so far and am ready for sanding before my clear coats. . I used 600 wet inbetween coats but havent done anything with it yet before clear. . any suggestions as to what to sand with before clear and durring clear?
 

wswaneyw

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Re: Questions on sanding boat "prep work"

I just finished re painting my project boat for the second time. <br /> The first time I scuffed up the paint and filled all the scratches and dings. We then sprayed a coat of paint over the top of that. Orange peeled like crazy. You have to be very particular when sanding because you have to remember,,, depending upon the age of the boat,,, there are probably a couple of coats of wax on the boat,,, and paint doesnt stick too well to wax.<br /> After failing at my first attempt to paint the boat, I took it to a marine paint shop to bid having it painted. I thought for 1000-1500 wouldnt be so bad and i would have it done. Bid came in at $8900. After the loss of hair I decided to attempt it again. One thing I did get from the Pro painter was to sand the boat down to bare fiberglass. So I sanded for probably two weeks straight. I chose a primer close to the color I wanted the boat to be and primed it. Sanded in between primes. Time to paint and all went well. I used a Napa Crossfire paint and it worked out great. Keep in mind,, if a guy is going to leave the boat in the water all season you should use bottom paint for the hull. I didnt have to use it since my boat goes from the water to the trailer to the garage. I hope this helps.
 

Black Max

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Re: Questions on sanding boat "prep work"

Custom Car, what kind of clear are you going to put? I finished painting, so I am now looking for a clear coat.
 
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Re: Questions on sanding boat "prep work"

hey all,<br />put my second coat and final coat on of clear yesterday. Sanded with 1000 before the second coat. Looks amazing other than some "souvoniers" that stuck in the clear overnight in my makeshift paintbooth. . aka nats and flys. . but oh well,, , just a few i can live with. will hit it with a lil 1500 and polish it with a buffer and some comound tomarrow. Today i put on my new decals and pinstripes and water line . . tomarrow i will reinstall the windshiled and hopefully get the engine dropped back in and buttom her up. . she is looking so much like a new boat hehe.
 
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Re: Questions on sanding boat "prep work"

oh by the way, i used Armorpoxy paints and clear. . 1 gallon of each white, yellow and clear. . only time will tell but they seem to be a great paint and should hold up excellent
 
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