Read these spark plugs...

chrisf695

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I pull a few spark plugs lastnight just for the hell of it. Its a 408 sbc. I didnt have time to pull the other 4 but from looking at these that i pulled... looks a little off. Whats your take?

These are cylinder 8 and 6
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These are 7 and 5
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I would do a compression test on the motor. for some reason plugs 7 and 5 look wet, and much darker. could be light oil fouling. you could also have a carb issue as well in the idle circuit where your running rich on the left bank.

Dual Plane manifold or Single? My guess is single since 5 and 7 are the same color.
 

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Just first blush from looking at small pics....The coloring seems ok, maybe a little lean. Hard to see any deposits on them from those pics though. Should not be any shellac-ish deposits.

Now for the questions....
Carbed, TBI,MPI? Stock Marine ignition or aftermarket? How long have they been in? Was that after a high speed run? Or just idling for a while then shut down?
 

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I have a new edelbrock 750 on it. Duel plane... Edelbrock rpm performer with a 1 inch spacer. Stock thunderbolt IV ingnition. They have about 40 hours on them. They where idling for about 100-150 yards... before that it was cruising and WOT for a good 20-30min.
 

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I was cleaning the engine bay and had the tools laying around and thought what the hell... havent checked them since I got the motor in the spring.
 

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Since its a dual plane, cylinders 5 and 7 do NOT share the same side of the carb.

why 6 and 8 appear much cleaner than 5 and 7 would lend me to either an oil ring issue on the left bank or something else. could also simply be the two plugs are lighted much better than the others.
 

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I have a new edelbrock 750 on it. Duel plane... Edelbrock rpm performer with a 1 inch spacer. Stock thunderbolt IV ingnition. They have about 40 hours on them. They where idling for about 100-150 yards... before that it was cruising and WOT for a good 20-30min.

What kind of spacer? You would need the spacer with the 4 holes, not open. Open spacers can cause uneven fuel/air charge using that carb.
 
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What kind of spacer? You would need the spacer with the 4 holes, not open. Open spacers can cause uneven fuel/air charge using that carb.

Its a open spacer... I was told by a couple engine builders to go with a open to get a few more rpms at wot and because i have a duel plane. This incorrect?
 

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Its a open spacer... I was told by a couple engine builders to go with a open to get a few more rpms at wot and because i have a duel plane. This incorrect?

Yes. That is why the plugs are different shades of brown. Look at the bottom of your carb. 2 round primary and 2 round secondary venturi right? The idea of a spacer is a sound one... for some applications. You are trying to extend the intake runner length. But the performer is a dual plane intake, so you need to extend the venturi, not the runner. This increases the velocity and focuses the air/fuel charge where it needs to go. Replace the spacer, or run without it. The open design is leaning out 2 cyls.
 

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On the street there is a long old argument whether to run an open or closed spacer on a dual plane. The major DIS-advantage is a little less low RPM throttle response while upper RPM power may have a slight increase as each cyl can 'see' more carb.

If it was advantageous, Merc engineers would have done it.

As for the plugs, lay them ALL facing the sun to get a better pic.

They look very close to just fine.

Curious, is that a "Marine" Performer? It shouldn't need any spacer.

A very old street racer trick to gain more complete combustion is to add a 1 inch closed spacer with a double gasket underneath with window screen between the gaskets. The theory here is at WOT fuel is literally a steady stream pouring in. Flowing thru the screen the fuel is forced to break into smaller streams/droplets sooner, thus forcing the fuel to disperse quicker and better atomize with the air. better atomization, better combustion, more power. No more RPM but quicker acceleration to WOT.

Edit; One benefit of this installation is reduced possibility of a back fire/carb fire. Fire can NOT rise thru a metal screen, it is contained within the intake and quickly burns out or is suffocated.

CAUTION, ALWAYS check to be SURE throttle plate have clearance to the screen as the throttle will stick if contact occurs.
 
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They look normal to me too... And I think the second 2 (5 and 7) look darker because of the lighting of the photograph, nothing else...

Chris......
 

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I would turn the 4-hole spacer into a 2-slot spacer to even out the fueling between cylinders.
 

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I appreciate all the info you guys have given me, this weekend I plan on getting some actual readings of ALL the spark plugs. Im going to grab a new set and install them on the water and do some WOT's and then pull them. I showed these picks to engine builder in Florida and basically he said it doesn't tell me much at all. He said they look ok in all but to get and actual reading of spark plugs you need to have them fresh and WOT only. No idling or cruising.... just WOT. But having the spacer I did see another 100-150 rpm at WOT and the at cruising to WOT the throttle was more responsive. Also you gotta think that the phenolic spacer also divides the heat transfer form the manifold to the carb.

Scott... you did bring up a nice suggestion in a 2 slot spacer though... does make sense have that instead of the open one since Im using a dual plane intake. But this winter Im going to be putting in a xm274 cam and installing an Eddy Air Gap... so this all will change the motor.

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Thanks again for the responses!
 
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You have to be very careful in cam selection. Exhaust reversion rapidly becomes an issue allowing water to 'walk' back into the exh manifold and into the cyls, warping the exh valves.

Generally if the cam grinder does not specify 'Marine' in the grind it may not be a good choice.

Unless you are running open headers, then forget everything I said.
 

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You have to be very careful in cam selection. Exhaust reversion rapidly becomes an issue allowing water to 'walk' back into the exh manifold and into the cyls, warping the exh valves.

Generally if the cam grinder does not specify 'Marine' in the grind it may not be a good choice.

Unless you are running open headers, then forget everything I said.


Yeah I understand what you mean, I have a set of bassett headers Ill be installed also... got them cheap :)
 

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I appreciate all the info you guys have given me, this weekend I plan on getting some actual readings of ALL the spark plugs. Im going to grab a new set and install them on the water and do some WOT's and then pull them. I showed these picks to engine builder in Florida and basically he said it doesn't tell me much at all. He said they look ok in all but to get and actual reading of spark plugs you need to have them fresh and WOT only. No idling or cruising.... just WOT. But having the spacer I did see another 100-150 rpm at WOT and the at cruising to WOT the throttle was more responsive. Also you gotta think that the phenolic spacer also divides the heat transfer form the manifold to the carb.

Scott... you did bring up a nice suggestion in a 2 slot spacer though... does make sense have that instead of the open one since Im using a dual plane intake. But this winter Im going to be putting in a xm274 cam and installing an Eddy Air Gap... so this all will change the motor.

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Thanks again for the responses!

Well if you are going to that much trouble, it would be wise to change your heads. You are gonna need new valve springs and keepers anyway. Vortec heads are a bolt on 40hp and are found at any boneyard for 75 a pair. The air gap 7416 works with Vortec heads, but remember... torque moves boats, not HP.
 

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My heads are WAY better then vortecs... I have Profiler 220's aluminum heads on it right now... I put a xm262 cam in it.

Will the stock thunderbolt IV ignition be enough you think?
 
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Not sure on the stock TB IV, however I would assume so initially

I myself am also running the XM262, however on a stock '88 bottom end and with Vortec heads. Thought of the 274, however decided against it initially because I am still running thru the outdrive.

I will be changing my manifolds and risers soon, so will be probably adding a switchable exhaust. The Mrs likes it quiet for cruising, the friends like to hear it.

Noted something in your pics, its supposed to be hard line from the fuel pump to the carb. you may want to change that
 
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