REALLY Stupid Emergency?!?!

santa666

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I lost 6" of the cheapass plastic tubing that comes with those lame oilchange pump kits INSIDE my engine through the dipstick hole. Will the plastic hurt my engine upon operation? Could it melt and ruin bearings, etc??? Will it melt and just be burned off, or absorbed by the filter??<br /><br />A professional mechanis here at work thinks the oil/crankcase will not get hot enough to disitegrate the part and it will sit harmlesly in my chevy 350 pan forever...<br />Could it be ground up, and make trouble???<br /><br /> :mad: :eek: :( :confused: Maybe just killed a chevy 350, <br /><br />Santa666
 

ob

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Re: REALLY Stupid Emergency?!?!

I'd get it out if it were mine.
 

jim dozier

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Re: REALLY Stupid Emergency?!?!

If it were a car I'd say you could fish it out through the crankcase drain plug, but you may not be able to get to it in a boat. You figure engine oil is going to be 200-300 degrees F. I'm not sure of the actual temp but the plastic may just sit there at those temps. The oil pump probably has a screen on the pickup and if it hits the crank its just going to be thrown down to the pan. If it requires pulling the engine I'd leave it. If you can get to the pan drain I'd get creative with something and see if you can flush or pick it out.
 

JB

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Re: REALLY Stupid Emergency?!?!

Not really an Outboard Engine Question.<br /><br />Gonna move it to I/O and Inboards
 

lakeman1999

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I have two cautions for you. (Number one) is that many plastics are made from crude oil products, and even without heat will in a short amount of time disolve when exposed to oil/gasoline, and become a geletinous mass. (Number two) If your motor has an oil pump, it will have a sump with a screen, for oil pickup. The plastic,if made from crude oil products (as in number one) as it softens, and breaks down, it is very probable, that it will clog the screen for the sump pickup, causing lack of lubrication :D :D .<br />Walt
 

sea wolf

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Re: REALLY Stupid Emergency?!?!

if it was me i'd get it out. if something happens you'll be pulling the engine anyway. and you'll turn grey worrying about it................. :(
 

magster65

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Re: REALLY Stupid Emergency?!?!

What a drag!!! Get it out. It'll end up getting shredded and cause a bearing to chafe or starve, plug your oil pump pick-up, end up on a cylinder wall...<br />HEY WAIT! 6"? That'll still be in the dipstick tube :) Straighten a coat hangar and put a little barb on the end of it and try to fish it out of the tube.<br />With a little luck you'll be done in 2.2!
 

Bondo

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Re: REALLY Stupid Emergency?!?!

Why Not Just Remove The Dip-Stick Tube,+ Remove The Tubing ?????????
 

santa666

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Re: REALLY Stupid Emergency?!?!

GOOD NEWS! Upon further review the play stands...<br />(No Wait that's fotball). I have elected to leave it in for two reasons. <br /> #1 I have been told that the oil pickup has a screen and will block the plastic tubing if it were floating free in the pan. <br /> #2 I believe that because there is a machined brass elbow fixture where the exterior siphon meets the pan that's where the plastic tube is lodged at the 90 degree bend inside it. therefore, the plastic is being held AWAY from any moving parts, and can be retrieved at a more obstreperous time.<br /><br />P.S. I think the 6 inch tube may be 4 inches<br /><br />SANTA666 :p
 

Boatin Bob

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If it is lodged at the bottom of the dipstick how are you going to do your next oil change, plus what if the heat over time softens the tube up enough to pass through the fitting and end up in the pan, sure the filter on the oil pump will stop it in it's present form, but what if it melts. Your choice but if it was me I'd be doing everything to try and fish it out now, even if just for peace of mind.
 

lakeman1999

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I warn you, and refer you to my post above. Some plastics disolve in oil, even without excessive heat.Walt :confused:
 

Bondo

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Re: REALLY Stupid Emergency?!?!

And, How are you going to Check the Oil.....<br />Unscrew/pull-out, the dip-stick tube,+ remove the Junk...<br /> "more obstreperous time."<br />There's No Time, Better than the Present....
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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One of Murphys Laws "You never have time to do it right the first time, but you always have time to do it over". (probably 4x the cost)<br /><br />Plastic when it gets warm will become flexible. If it would wrap itself around a connecting rod journal on the crank, this could cause some serious damage. Even though it is a soft and pliable when warm, when the engine cools is when you will find out there is a problem.<br /><br />If it just shreads up, this will cause oil pump starvation by plugging the sump screen.<br /><br />Haste makes waste.....Good Luck
 

MrBill

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Re: REALLY Stupid Emergency?!?!

First...I'll start by giving my opinion that the tubing should probably come out, only because it's there, not because I think it will do any harm...its the right thing to do. Chances are however that:<br /><br />1. It simply will not grind up, snake around a connecting rod, etc. ,etc. and cause a catastrophic disaster. If it were metallic...different issue.<br /><br />2. It will not melt (more pliable, yes) at oil operating temperatures, if your oil were that hot your engine is in more serious peril. <br /><br />3. The tubing was made to be used in oil and other petroleum based fluids (including aromatic hydrocarbons), so it won't dissolve and turn your oil into an acidic bearing eating compound.<br /><br />4. If you have NOT removed the dipstick tube assembly you're probably in luck. Removal will almost certainly allow the tubing to fall into the oil resevoir. If there is a large 3/4 to 1 inch male thread at the top (as most marine dipstick tubes have) the dipstick tube extends to the bottom of the oil pan or to an elbow that prohibits straight objects more than an inch or so long from passing. THE THREAD ON THE TOP IS THERE TO ATTACH AN OIL EXTRACTOR TO and suction out the oil so that you don't have to stick a tube into the dipstick tube. The tube extends so far down there is no need to put a smaller tube inside it to extract oil, just use the dipstick tube as your suction tube. Therefore, a six inch piece of tubing is probably still inside. You probably noticed that a tube "bottoms out" when inserted in the dipstick tube assembly, so a six inch piece will almost definitely not enter the oil resevoir. Maybe the dipstick can CAREFULLY!! extract the lost tube. or ...Get a tapered object (make one if you have to, and carefully put it into the dipstick tube and attempt to insert it in the tube end, and pull it out. A 2 inch bullet shaped object, pointed on one end and firmly attached inside a length of rubber hose or tubing will do. If necessary, try other options similar to this. Magster65 suggested a coat hanger...a good idea.<br /><br />Get a schematic of your engine to see what you're up against...elbow in dipstick tube assembly?...filter or screen on end of tube?, etc? anything that might logically prohibit it from dropping into the oil resevoir?. http://www.mercruiserparts.com/ <br />I would try spending some time getting it out passively before getting into an invasive procedure like removing the oil pan. Also, remove the oil pan drain plug...is it close by? try adding oil (maybe even pump in...with the drain plug open and see if it shows up, that way you'll know whether or not it is still in the dipstick tube. <br /><br />Sorry for the lengthy reply...
 

santa666

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Re: REALLY Stupid Emergency?!?!

THANKS for the many thoughtful replies!<br /> A wise man once said: "the only thing we really own is our mistakes" sage words. <br /><br />The small oil tube is still lodged (I assume) in the machined brass 90 degree fitting that attached to the bottom of the oil pan. (whew)-<br /><br />The next time I change the oil (july) I WILL take the 90 off and probably have to use pliers to pry the 'lil sucker out. New filter too (every time).<br /><br />I ran this weekend, and all was well. Water temp was steady at 175, not bad for Lake Michigan, but certainly keeping the engine cool enough so as not to (possibly) melt the plastic...<br /><br />It was really scary as my (1971) vintage boat/engine has ONLY 473 hours since BRAND NEW and I'm doing my best to keep it MINT! Its a real time capsule: SLICKCRAFT SS-235, way cool old(er) boat. THANKS again! :)
 

Marlin455

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Re: REALLY Stupid Emergency?!?!

Santa- Don't get too uptight about the plastic in the pan- I bought a 455 Olds BB powered jet boat last July- I ran it maybe ten times last season, then pulled the motor to freshen it - When I pulled the oil pan off, I found 5 pieces of the same plastic tubing, about 4-6" long each, and the bottom of a previous dip stick tube in the pan- Some of the tubing had been sucked up tight to the oil pickup screen, but I had no oil related problems, good pressure, and the motor ran excellent. Who knows how long those pieces had been in there, as the boat had been sitting for probably ten years before I bought it! Now, I am almost ready to drop the newly rebuilt 455 back in the boat(minus the extra oil pan pieces!! LOL) Stan
 
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