Rebuilding my 350 Mag, Need opinions

John_S

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Re: Rebuilding my 350 Mag, Need opinions

MntRat, who posts here, went thru allot of piston searching when he was building his 383. He should be able to point you to some good sources of "D" style quench pistons.
 

mtnrat

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Re: Rebuilding my 350 Mag, Need opinions

I could only find -16cc D dish piston. Forced me not to use my small port vortec bowtie heads. I went with a 72 cc engine quest head, with 200cc intake runner. Ended up with 9:1 compression ratio.
 

lenoble22

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9:1 or lower compression is what we are looking for, Nothing higher than 9:1, I would really like to use the 63cc heads just because I already have them. Anyone one else find any good pistons. I know they guy from Mercrury has some in mind but he said they are very hard to come by and he already has some on back order for 2 months now. I'll have to find out what they were again cause I don't remember off hand. mtnrat, do you remember what crankshaft you used and do you have any specs on your cam or any insite? Thanks
 

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If I use the 63cc heads, what kind of pistons should I be looking for?
 

mtnrat

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I used a scat forged crank, 3.75" stroke and 6" rods.
Camshaft:
.510 in .480 ex, 112 separation
Duration @.050 are 212 in and 218 ex
Duration @.006 are 260 in and 272 ex
The cam was designed for the stock volvo 280 thru prop exhaust. I just hate noisy pleasure boats. Good manners was more important to me than max hp and that is what I told the cam designer. I am getting 350-375 hp with a flat 400 lb torque curve. Just educated guessing not dyno.
You would need D dish pistons with a -26cc dish to get in the 9:1 range.
Here is a compression ratio calculator.http://www.csgnetwork.com/compcalc.html
 

wca_tim

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Re: Rebuilding my 350 Mag, Need opinions

what mtnrat said on crank and rods - forged and ibeam all the way... forged pistons too. can go with cast crank, but you'll likely not have it as long - especially if you run it hard.

pistons: Here's an option that will keep your compression down... JE makes a good product too...

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=JEP-170817&autoview=sku

Here's another, probably better option

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?sub=1&part=JEP-170817-8&N=700+115&rsview=sku

Also don't forget that as you increase duration on the camshaft, your dynamic compression is going to come down some so you can probably get by fine with a static compression of 10:1 if you're going to put even a reasonably healthy cam in it and run premium gas.
 

lenoble22

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Any one know of any exhaust manifolds that are somewhat "lightwieght" that aren't going to break me. I couldn't believe how heavy the ones where that we took off, they are insane heavy
 

wca_tim

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glm manifolds are light and relatively inexpensive for a set - guessing 600 probabnly, but they won't help with reversion at all... unless you go with long aftermarket risers.

IMCO makes a great product usually and I tend to think the imco thumper power manifolds for about 1000 would be good

also, have heard good things about revolutions and to a lesser extent kodiacs. All of those options are also about 1000.

Note that I'm far from rich, but boat stuff costs, and the exhaust is not the place to skimp... not if you want to protect the investment you make in the engine.

just some random thoughts off the top....

Hope this is helpful.

I might add that you could get lucky if you take your time and do some searching on craigslist and ebay. I bought a new, in the box set of polished aluminum imco powerflows and then a very nice set of used risers off ebay for the same... for a god bit less than 1000 total. that's more like 2500 new. and the manifolds had never been used... and came with brackets and gaskets, etc...
 

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Re: Rebuilding my 350 Mag, Need opinions

Another update on the boat so far. We finally found a reason why the engine went. After we powerwashed the heads, we found out the head was cracked right above the #6 cylinder which was the same one where the rod broke. Good news that we found out what made the engine go, but now I need a set of new heads.

We ended up getting a set of Dart heads that were machined to fit 202 valves I believe for only $600 bucks...

Also we are going with a brand new block (4 bolt main). We are getting one of the 383 stroker kits that will come with everything, and we will still keep the compression at 9:1. List price for all the parts is like $2900 but we are getting everything at cost so its only about $2100 so I cant complain

So now I am looking at exhaust because when we took the exhaust off, I couldn't believe how heavy it really was so now I want to get a aluminum exhaust system on it. I like the set from GLM, which is like $669.99 with free shipping was the cheapest I found so far but I want to know if this exhaust will work on my boat, I know it will fit but I want to make sure it will work with the captains call exhaust and do I go with the 4" or 3". Also wca_tim said they are good but wont help with reversion. I honestly have no idea what reversion means. can someone help me out.

The second question that I have is that this motor in my opinion will be close to 350-375 hp range (closer to 375 with new exhaust). I have the alpha one drive, is that gonna put me to the top limit of my drive. I really don't wana upgrade to a Bravo. But also I don't want to be on the water and have my drive snap on me. if someone can enlighten me on this too that would be great.

Thanks guys and hopefully this weekend the motor will be starting to go back together. I will make sure to take hundreds of pictures to post and keep updating. THanks for all the help guys.

Heres a link to the exhaust that I found:
http://www.boatstoreonline.com/glmexhaust.html
 

wca_tim

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reversion is when there is enough overlap in intake and exhaust valves being open (as in the same overlap that comes with larger duration cams that yield more power...), that it sucks water back into the engine from the exhaust system. not a problem with cars and dry exhaust, but potentially a big problem in a boat. The other issue is that the stock manifolds don't flow worth a ... If you're going to do a little bit of cam and are worried aobut reversion, you can get aftermarket stainless risers for the factory or glm manifolds. the point is to move the water further away from the engine so it can't be pulled back up into the engine. (note that if a lot gets pulled back in, and fills a cylinder up... water doesn't compress... stuff breaks, etc...).

I really don't have first hand experience with the glm manifolds, but understand that theyu flow about the same as stock manifolds, but are cast from aluminum and a good bit lighter - a big deal in a small boat. On other exhaust systems, I looked into revolution marine - like those pretty well, price is something like 1000, have a dry joint between manifold and riser and are designed to flow a good bit better than the factory set-up as well as to help with reversion. imco thumper power and kodiak are similar price with the imco's being touted as a good lightweight replacement for the factory set-up (Imco makes a great products in my experience), but doubt they would help with the reversion issue if you want to go with a reasonably radical cam for more power... then eddy marine and imco powerflows more like 2500 - 3000, these flow better, the imco's are supposed to make the mostr power by a little over all the rest of the manifolds (according to the engine builder that set up the 383 in my boat now, who had run a wide range of commercially available set-ups on the dyno for a local performance boat manufacturer to see what combination of off the shelf parts would make the most power) I currently have a set of these i bought second hand / unused, very well made. Then there's the true headers, from 3000 - 6000 and somewhat prone to crack depending on who you talk with...

That's my impression from having a 383 built by a top notch marine engine builder and doing a pile of reading and shopping before winding up where I'm at... earlier this year... sounds like you've got a good handle on the kind of power you'll make... will be a big step up.

...and yes that's more than an alpha drive is rated for... BUT the guy who built my set up said, no catching air or hammer down holeshots from zero... otherwise keep the drive aligned right, filled with good merc synthetic oil and run it... he also said definately oil cooler on the engine if I was going to run it... There are several guys on the river localy that are running a lot more power than I am... one that's running a stout blower motor in front of an alpha and is running well over 80 mph (on radar). Note that I do have the impression that I'll probably eventually break the drive... so I did pick up a spare at one point when i had the chance to do so for cheap. I'm also thinkin new heads, bigger cam and more carb in the next few months... we'll see what happens.

you could upgrade to a bravo... but aside from the big cost, it's 200 pounds (ie a really fat chick sitting on the engine compartment) right in the rear of the boat... a lot in my 17 1/2 foot toy or any smaller boat for that matter... I actually think I just bought an alpha ss outdrive for a very reasonable amount of money... (shorter, more streamlined gearcase, made for running faster in light boat, etc...)

How's that for a 5 min stream of consciousness dump? Hopefully a little bit helpful... just to be clear, I'm a lot more of a backyard hack than any kind of expert, but I like my toys...
 
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