Rent or Buy...

HollaGeo

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I'm going to be moving out of my house within the next couple of months. School is finally over, etc. I keep hearing people ask, "Are you going to buy or rent an apartment?" Why would I buy an apartment? I guess because I can rent it out when I own it??? What would you do?
 

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I personally prefer to buy. You still never really own it but at least you can do with it what you want to. Well sort of if what you want to do passes codes and regulations.
 

JasonJ

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I know that in your neck of the woods, and especially in New York, apartments can be/are purchased. For the most part, a lot of condominums are basically apartments. Benefits to buying an apartment usually depend on the individual. If you love listening to other peoples noise, having no storage ability, living under strict guidelines, not having to mow a yard, apartments/condos are the way to go. If you like having privacy and more space, buying a house is the only way to go. <br /><br />Would I buy an apartment? No, because I will never live in an area that leaves me with little choice but to buy or rent an apartment.
 

Twidget

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The upside of buying is equity when you sell.<br /><br />The downside is paying for maintenance yourself.
 

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Buy a house, HollaGeo, with as much land as you can find.<br /><br />In the last 50 years I have bought and sold 7 houses, and each appreciated at a rate above the mortgage interest rate, so I "earned" money with someone else's money.<br /><br />You will have the cost and labor of upkeep, but there is a sense of power in owning your home that is good for self confidence, which is good for career.<br /><br />Look at it as an investment that you can use and improve while it grows in value.
 

ZmOz

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BUY! I have earned nearly $100,000 in the last few years with my house. FREE MONEY!! It's like I won it. If I had been renting my land lord would have won it...
 

Kiwi Phil

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I am different. <br />I own one cause the wife insisted years back, so we own a home. I made sure it is freehold, and it is cheaper than paying rent, and gives me somewhere to sleep. A good thing to do.<br />BUT I have been in business for a long time. <br />The returns on homes are pathetic. People think they make money on their homes. That to me is not so. They have to live somewhere, so when they sell at more than they bought for, they then have to buy again, and that is probably more than what they just sold for, and because they have a "carefully geared mortgage", then they don't own very much at all, because the Bank does, and they let you live there and feel good about having your own property, and if you can't pay them, then they boot your butt out. <br />JB may have been through 7 homes and made money on them all, but go back to No1 and see what that is worth today. (But as you go thru lfe, things change, so you sell and buy to meet conditions).<br />My advice. You need to live somewhere, so buy a home, and freehold it. Remember, usually the greatest value of a home is the Land it sits on. Land usually grows in value, buildings depreciate, at around 1.25 to 2.5% per year.Own the Land.<br />Now before everyone jumps on me I will explain why I am different.<br />A well meaning close relative has been here for a week, and decides with the wife I should pay for a new veranda etc, etc,etc, totaling about $50K, which of course would increase the value of our home. B/S. I am putting in $10K worth of water tanks and will save $3K in water charges in yr 1, and $5K in yr 5, and I will depreciate the $10K in tanks over 3yrs. And they want me to pump $50K in to the home cause it increases it's value. B/S. I just sit there, with a coldie in hand, and say nothing.<br />I will tell you something else about have valuable a home is. It holds the most value to the person you leave it too when you croak. I'll put money on it...they will take a trip to visit their mates on iboats, buy a new car, get the diamond necklace the old chook always wanted, and within 16 weeks, poof, all gone.<br />Don't get me wrong H..G.., consider buying a home, if possible with land. You will never look back, especially when the repayments hit zero. Don't share the title though.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 

tommays

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i NY , NJ you have to be carefull right NOW the bubble is VERY BIG on all houseing <br /><br />its going to hard for the prices to keep going up for the simple reason that even two high income wage earners can no longer afford to but buy most houses <br /><br />unless there tradeing UP but its becomeing a problem for people to buty a 300 to 500,000 dollar starter house :eek: <br /><br />tommays
 

RubberFrog

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Definately buy, but not right now. Wait for the "bubble" to slow down- it's not going to "burst." <br /><br />Ignore everything Kiwi said :D :D <br /><br />Everything JB said is right on. Each of his four paragraphs is accurate.
 

aspeck

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I think both JB and Kiwi are right! How is that for being politically correct? :D :p <br /><br />It really depends on the area you are looking to live, what you are planning on doing with your life, and the amount of money you have.<br /><br />If you are unsure where you will be in the next 5 years, then rent, assuming you will have to own a mortgage to own "your own" place. In the first 5 years, your payments are going more to interest then principle (unless you can double up the principle payments and shorten your loan considerably).<br /><br />If you can afford the taxes, the payments, and the maintenance of owning your own place, and you plan on being in the same location for over 5 years, then go ahead and buy. If not, rent to start, get an idea of your future, then take the risk, but a more calculated risk, and buy.
 

aspeck

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Just call me "Carp Lips"! :p :D
 
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One has to look at the market.<br /><br />I would NOT buy in the Northeast or Midwest right now. The Soutwest and Southeast are good bets, at this time. There is no bubble that is going to burst. At worst, the market will return to normal in those hot areas.<br /><br />As for Australia, The US and Australia are different mnarkets and cannot be compared. Improvements have to based on what you want as opposed to what you need.
 

SoulWinner

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In America houses don't depreciate, and around here, even homes that are poorly maintained still appreciate. I think depreciating houses must be an Aussie thing.<br /><br />When I think of all the money we have spent on rent over the years, I wish we had bought years ago. Even when we were poor could have afforded a mortgage on a place like the dumps we were renting. And get all the land you can afford, cause God ain't making no more.
 

magster65

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Is there ever a bad time to buy a home? There's better times than others to buy a house as an investment but a home? I don't think so, I say buy.<br />This housing buying spree has gone crazy here too. I have a few friends that are (now wealthy) real estate sales people. They're hard up for listings... absolutely everything that hits the market sells immediately. I've had sales people knock on my door at least half a dozen times telling me they have qualified buyers that are willing to buy my house 'right now'. Bidding wars are common... I'd say 1/4 of the listings selling for more than the asking price. The problem with selling right now is like what Kiwi said, you have to replace it... and there's no 'deals' to be had in a 'hot' market. It can only slow down from this pace. The 'scary' part is that house prices are over-inflated (supply and demand) and buyers are spending more than they should. People are ignoring the consequenses that (inevitable) interest rate hikes will bring.
 

MudIsFun

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My wife and I own several properties, our primary home, a 2 bedroom house (rental) a vacation home in Bullhead City (Colorado River) which will become a rental this summer when our new house in Bullhead is finished being built. I am not attempting to brag but at least in So Cal and in AZ the properties are still going up in value quickly. We bought the 1st house in Bullhead 3 yrs ago for 89,000. I just had it appraised this summer for $185,000 so basically if I decided to sell right now I would make +/- 100K in 3 years. I say BUY as much as you can afford. We signed the contract for the new house in Bullhead and when we went back the next week to meet with the designers the cost for the same home had raised 15K in one week. Not a bad return on investment in 1 weeks time.<br /><br />Do not overlook the tax advantages to home ownership as you get to deduct the mortgage interest and property taxes off your 1040 every year! The first 5 years of your mortgage payment is almost all interest anyway so you do receive a great advantage with your taxes.<br /><br />In the US you can depreciate property only if it is an investment property, not your primary and or 2nd home. However if you do buy, keep every receipt for any improvements you make. You can add the cost of the improvements to your original cost to purchase the property (basis) and then you have your adjusted basis. Basically say you buy a house for 100K. You add 50K in improvements over the next few years. Your new basis is 150K. If you then sell the house for 200K instead of having a possible tax liability for 100K in profit you now have a libility for only 50K. It gets a little more complicated than this but this is the basic premise. Your tax person can explain this is much more detail.<br /><br />I read yesterday where apartments in Manhattan were now selling for over $1000 a sq foot... unbelievible. 400 foot apartment for only 400K!<br /><br />Kevin
 

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I have some rental property and I would advise you or anyone else (except my renters) not to buy it for me.
 
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