Repair a LARGE hole ???

Bubba1235

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Fiberglass hull with a hole about 3' x 5' in the side. Suggestions on how to repair it and maintain the orginal form? There obviously is nothing to glass "to" so how would you folks sugget going about it?

The only thing I have come up with is going to the good side of the boat in the same area and take a casting of it. then make a mirror of it, and then use it to lay up against on the damaged side.
 

wildmaninal

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

The casting idea sounds alirght, but your measurements may be off because you're using the outside of the hull for the casting, I might be wrong.

That is some big structural damage to be messing with, not saying that it can't be done.

Could you post a picture? Did you buy the boat like this, or did this happen after you bought it?
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

you need to go from the inside, grind back from the hole, then do lay ups. then you can work from the outside. the inside work is where you will get your strength.
 
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DJ

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

1. Cut very thin plywood that will cover the hole, from the inside. Put Saran Warp or Reynolds Wrap over the ply, to the outside.

2. Use the plywood as a back drop to "lay up" portions of f-glass and resin-from the OUTSIDE.

3. Lay in the f-glass and resin to cover the hole. Overlap is GOOD, on the inside.

4. Sand to a depth (outside) about 1/32" below surface area.

5. Apply "topcoat" gel-coat to match. If you would rather paint, then sand to "level" with existing hull.
 

jonesg

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

first grind the edges back,
inside and out,
carve a peice of foam to follow the curves on the outside, cover foam where it blocks the hole with plastic and tack in place.
apply glass patch to inside, cut 4 patches , making each one bigger.
After it sets, remove foam and do the outside.
 

tmcalavy

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

Sounds like you better get to it...post pix as you go along.
 

UnregisteredUser

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

I'm not body man by far, but a hole you can walk through seems like a bit of a task, no matter how cheap the boat is.

As for making a foam insert, to make it match exactly, I would think that you would want to make an outside form from the good side of the boat. Use a second piece of foam, and make a negative form by matching the two pieces together. Then follow the above mentioned layering of FG. As for making it NOT wave at you, the larger the board sander to can use makes for smoother surfaces.

My father-in-law is a body man of over 40 years, and I have seen him do this in the past. I also remember him stating, "I would rather work a curved surface than and flat one." I am assuming he means the curved surface helps hide the waves, whereas the flat surface has to be perfect.

Good luck, and take plenty of pictures so we can see your progress.
 

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

You said it was a 3' x 5' hole? It would have to be one special boat to do a repair such as that.

I would check and see if it has been officially totaled out by an insurance company...... you may have to get it re-certified by the USCG....

Post a few photos....... how is the engine and drive? This might add or subtract to the value too.
 

JaSla74

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

I'm sure it can be done, but that seems like an awfully big hole to repair. What size vessel is it?
 
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DJ

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Yes I understand how to do it, the problem is having nothing to glass to so I can maintain the correct form. Hanging glass in the air doesn't work so well. ;)

Then you cut/form foam to match. Same principle, different backing.
Your foam backing would be about $3.00 at HD or Lowes.
 

NoKlu

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

I wonder if you took a piece flexible material,like oops! used to form his extension, and screwed it to the outside of the hull, if it would recreate the original curves close enough. He used arborite I think, and if it was about a foot larger on each side of the hole it might conform to the original shape fairly close. You might need to brace it in a couple of spots, but it might work. I don't see how making a form of the good side will help on the opposite side.
 

kandil

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

That is what I was thinking exactly maybe some Masonite and bracing from the out side like oops hull extension thread. do you have access to the inside of the damage?
 

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

With a hole that big, he should give it to you once he collects his insurance check!
 

Bondo

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

Ayuh,....

When I saw 3x5' Hole,.... My 1st Question was How biga Boat,..??
3x5' Ain't so Big on a 52'er....

If you haven't seen it, it makes it Tough,...

As long as you mimic the original lay-up schedule,+ keep in mind the Stiffness needed,+ where,...
It otta go pretty good....
Lots a Great Ideas flowing in this thread,...
Shattered Pieces can really come in Handy,... Don't toss'em too quickly...

The project sounds Exciting,....;) How Big is the Budget,..?? :D
 

J. Mark

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

One thought here. Why not get a piece of sheetmetal and rivet it to the hull and take a hammer and dolly to form it to the general shape you need? Wax the metal and begin your layup against it to get the first layers of glass on then remove the metal and add layers inside and out to get your total thickness and overlaps. Metal would form and allow you to match the contours fairly well. You could even add some wood bracing to the side you aren't glassing to help you get the metal hammered out to the right shape.
 

31car

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

Just a thought--maybe original mold still being used by mfg.--get them to layup patch---could be worth phone call
 

erikgreen

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

The standard way to repair this would be as a couple people have suggested, to place a section of mold on the outside of the hull in the shape you want, then overlap the layup from inside the hull. Done right with a good mold you should be able to make it look like original work.

It's easiest to pull this off with flat surfaces, that's just a matter of placing a flat panel against the outside of the boat.

But, since you said it's curved, you'll probably need to make a mold from either the opposite, good side of the boat or if you're lucky and it's not too acute a set of curves you can flex a mold to match the hull shape.

How that works... you use a piece of thin flexible material... it can be thin plywood, hard plastic sheeting, fiberglass, metal, whatever. Make it as large as will fit against the side of the hull. Lay it in place over the hole, and press it against the hull so that the mold curves to match the hull... imagine it like you're holding a playing card against a soccer ball, if you push the sides against the ball the card follows the curves of the ball in the vertical direction exactly. If you push the top and bottom in after that, the card comes close to approximating the 3d curve of the ball. You can do a layup against that... if you have shallow enough curves, you may be able to match the hull curve exactly by hand.

Another way to do it is to pull a mold of what's there and finish it by hand. You patch the hole from inside the hull with hard plastic sheeting or some other flexible material so it matches the hole as closely as possible, and make sure the edges are sealed against the hole edges. Then you spray PVA mold release from the outside over the hole and surrounding hull. Once that's ready you can wax the same area several times. When that dries, you do a mold layup against the side of the hull, basically creating a negative mold from the hull and hole area. Make it larger than your hole by a couple feet per side if possible. Lay it up thickly, at least 4-5 layers of mat or cloth, and use wood framing on the outside to provide structure.

If all goes well, you can then pull the mold from the outside of the hull, then fair it much like you would a hull. Basically you fill or grind down the section of the mold which was over the hole until your mold is fair.. it'll be pretty obvious where the hole is on the mold. Once the mold is fair, you PVA and wax it. Remove the material you had covering the hole from inside the hull and put the mold back in place. If you faired it properly it should now form exactly the curve you want on the hull, and all you have to do is layup the repair from the inside hull and do a little touch-up once it hardens and you remove the mold. Don't forget to mark the mold's position on the outside of the hull when you originally create it to ensure you get it back in the same spot.

The hardest way to do this repair would be to tape cardboard or wood support members outside the hull, do a thick layup against that from inside, then grind the outside fair and smooth with microbubble putty. You'd have to be a real artist to make that look good though.

Final thought... if you're investing in the boat, I'd have this part of the repair done by a boat shop... it's not something that's easy to do at home, and it's easy to screw up, and would be a safety problem. Have the shop do the hard stuff, then you re-wire, install new controls and a new interior, and go float.

Erik
 

jonesg

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Re: Repair a LARGE hole ???

yet another way..

get a big sheet of cardboard,bigger than the hole,
slop resin on it, lay down 6 oz cloth,
put a sheet of plastic on the outside of the hull,
stick plastic to the glass with 3M contact spray.
Pick up the resin'd cardboard and hold in place.
Polyester will go off in minutes if over catalyzed so you don't have to stand there all day.

Pull it off, it will now be rigid .
bondo putty the cardboard patch to the outside around the hole and go do the interior layup.

urethane sheet composite foam would work better than cardboard, but its only a temp hole blocker so you have something to work against on the inside, the repair is to the inside of the hull, the outter fix is just glassin ,fairing , sealing and cosmetic finish.

Just buy the boat and figga it out later. Theres many ways to do it.
 
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