Replacing floor

thrasher

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Okay guys, I did post a question in the Glastron section but go no answer so I am hoping I can get a general answer here. My boat a 1991 Glastron G190 fllor has developed a soft spot, so I would like to change the floor over the winter period.
I looked on the floor and cannot find any screws or other means that might attach the floor to the boat. I am now guessing the the floor is screwed/nailed in and then the carpet is glued on top.. Does this sound likely? It seems like the floor is 1/2 inch plywood, so I was going to use 1/2inch pressure treated marine ply, does that seem reasonable.. I just wanted to get an answer before I start ripping out the carpet!!
Are there any things to look out for (This will be my first floor replacement). What glue should I use to install the new carpet and where does one go to get carpet suitable for a boat?

Many thanks for any ideas or advice.

Gary
 

thrasher

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Re: Replacing floor

Thanks. I hadn't seen that section before!! I will go take a look now.

Gary
 

Salmonseeker

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Re: Replacing floor

I have replaced a plywood floor once before in a 14 footer. The floor had carpet covered plywood and then was riveted. I had to do a bit of digging in the carpet to find the rivets. I then drilled out the rivets and up came the floor. My new boat has carpet covered plywood and then screwed down, again the screws are hidden by the carpet somewhat. Besides these options I am unsure if there are other ways.

If you are replacing the wood the carpet will more than likely have to be replaced also. If you cannot find the screws, you could try and cut and pull up the carpet to find the screws.

As far as replacing it goes. I just bought some 1/2" pressure treated plywood from the hardware store cut it to size using a jig saw and dry fit it. Make sure you leave room for the carpet to wrap around the edges. I had this problem because I dry fit the floor without the carpet and then had issues when the carpet was glued to the plywood. It fit but was a little tighter than I wanted.

I attached the carpet by gluing to the plywood after it was cut and then wrapped it around the edges and stapled the underside to the plywood. It turned out pretty nice.

Good luck.
 

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Re: Replacing floor

DECK!:rolleyes:
 

rebuilt

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Re: Replacing floor

I have torn the floor out of my 15', replaced the stringers, cross braces, reframed the bilge, and replaced the transom. The decks are pre-cut, and ready to go back in. I can only recount what I found. I would not be at all surpised if you found stringer damage. I don't know if your model had poured foam along the keel, if so, if it is wet, it needs to be thoroughly dried before you seal it back up, or else it needs to come out. If you are planning to replace the whole floor, the carpet is a gonner. Another if.... if you're deck is glassed to the sides, (under the carpet) that whole bond needs to be cut out and prepped for the new glass that will seal your new deck. Use extreme care when the hull angle changes to less than a 90. When that happens, up around the bow, imitate the angle of the hull with your grinder. I used a thin, fast cutting blade, (.045), and found that in a split second, I had cut through the hull. Bummer. Hefty patch. Another piece of advice I picked up from Tashasdaddy. If you plan to glass over your new plywood deck, do not use pressure treated. Again, do not use pressure treated. The chemicals used to treat the lumber do not bind well with resin. There has been so much written about which plywood to use, I'm kind of beating a dead horse here. But... it has been recommended many, many times to use a good grade of exterior, 5 ply, sanded, plywood. Plain old B-C. B grade one side, C-grade the other. It goes without saying the B-grade goes up. It's what I used. I've got cedar stringers and braces. The only difference between the $90 dollar a sheet marine grade and standard B-C is that there are fewer voids in the marine stuff. That... and a $70 per sheet price difference. The adhesive is the same. Since you will probably seal it in glass and resin, tiny voids in the plywood are kinda moot. Another tip. If you are using polyester resin, by far the most economical resin available, scuff the heck out of your plywood before applying the layup. 34 grit. Very course. Wipe it down with acetone and look at the rag. Hard to believe that much stuff was on the plywood. The first course of glass and resin is purely a mechanical bond, so give it as much to bond to as possible. Take your time when cutting out your old deck, it will save you in the end. In hind sight, I would not have cut so close to the sides, but would have held off about an 1/8" to get the deck out, then ground the remaining bond off flush with the sides. Mine was fastened with plain old staples. There is nothing you can do that cannot be repaired. But a full floor job is a decent project. A 4 1/2" grinder is the best bet. That, a hammer, 1" wood chisel, and a flat prybar. A 7 1/4" circular saw is only good for splitting the deck into manageable pieces, no good around the perimeter. Set the blade depth accordingly. A jig saw is useless when tearing a deck out. . A $30 mini-grinder is the ticket. Some standard concrete blades, and a couple of thin, fast cutting blades to speed things up a bit. You won't really know what you're dealing with until you get in there and start cutting. Mine will never see carpet. It's a salt water bay-nearshore job. Non-skid, freshwater washdown, cover it, and go again. Good luck. Plenty of good solid advice on this forum. Mine is only as far as it's gotten thanks to the sound input I've gotten here. KR
 

thrasher

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Re: Replacing floor

Many thanks Rebuilt, As the original DECK lasted 15 years, I was going to do the same thing again.I didn't realise they glassed the DECK into the boat, I just assumed it sat on stringers and was screwed/nailed or stapled in. I have every intention of checking the foam and changing it if required. I was just worried of damaging something whilst getting the old DECK out. Using a circular saw set to cut just the thickness of the DECK is a great idea that I hadn't thought of. Still not sure what kind of template I will be able to make up after I get the old Deck out in lots of pieces!! I realise the carpet will be toast, which is why I was asking where you buy Marine carpet.. I should get the boat back next week from the shop, they where pressure testing the outdrive for me and replacing the shift cable (Even though I told them not too!!). Once I get it back I will rip the old carpet out and see what I find, I was just wanting to get an idea of what kind of techniques are used by boat manufacturers to install the deck.

Gary
 

Robj

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Re: Replacing floor

There is alot of good advice here. I used 24 grit discs on my angle grinder, cut-off wheels work great for cutting. But I definitely disagree with not using pressure treated plywood. I used it for my stringers and all the research that I have done does not show any problems when using poly resin. Just make sure thw wood is DRY, and try and get the stuff that is CCA treated. Having said that, I only used exterior grade ply for my deck (cannot use the word floor around here without getting in trouble). Lay the ply so that the grain is running perpendicular to the stringers. Here is a link to the project that I finished earlier this year.

Have a great day,

Rob.

http://www.shareaproject.com/pages/projectTut,p,406,00.html
 

beerrun

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Re: Replacing floor

Sorry to hi-jack your thread but I am getting ready to replace the deck in my boat and I read what Rob wrote about the grain of the plywood. (Rob, your boat looks great BTW) Did you mean the grain of the outermost layer of the plywood? I thought that I didnt have to worry about the grain on plywood so much as dimensional lumber. My plan was to run the plywood so my seams would be running from one side of the boat to the other as opposed to bow to stern. Is that what you meant? Thanks.
http://www.shareaproject.com/pages/projectTut,p,337,00.html
 
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Robj

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Re: Replacing floor

I meant the outermost layer of the ply. It is the strongest if this layer is running perpendicular to the stringers. You are correct, the seams will run from side to side. Get a piece of ply and test it for yourself. You will notice it is stiffer in one direction than the other. When you put a layer of glass on both sides of it, it will make it even stiffer. With dimension lumber it is not a concern because the grain is running in one direction.

Have a great day,

Rob.
 
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