Restore 1988 Bayliner Capri SKI

[Woodonglass]

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Now THAT^^^^ is what happens when you Sleep at Holiday Inn!!!!! Very Sage Words of Advice!!!!!

 

[eavdic10]

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Yes I agree, thank you very much I have read most of your posts there and it all made sense. ...my next step after reading it all is to check it out properly and I found out that the foam was really wet toward the back. So I ripped it all out. Foam, gas tank, i check out stringers on the very bottom across the whole boat and I have two different spots where I am planning on partially replacing them and glassing it back in.

 

[eavdic10]

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Alright guys, I might need to start an new thread with actual restoration of 1988 Bayliner Capri Ski. I tore it all out. Found out all plywood was rotten. Area around gas tank all rotten. Foam was soaking wet took it all out. Stingers are partially rotten but mostly good.
My plan is to first sand it all down, then cut out stringers and replace two bad-rotten parts and glass it back in. (Question here, I have seen on some posts how this is done but nobody says if they use PL or any other type of glue to glue it down before they glass it in? I also read posts about replacing the foam and found out there is two part foam I could use and also pink foam from place like HD to lay it down, but my question is would it be possible to use foam that is used to put in doors and windows I can get it really cheap and am wondering if that would work? Also what is the best fiberglass to use and what resin-hardener. I am planning to get it cleaned this week and start working on stringers.
Should I start a new thread or can I link this one some how

here is some pictures.

 

[jbcurt00]

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PM a moderator, oops is 1 just left click on his name above & choose the private message function, and ask them to change the title for you to: "Restoration of 1988 Bayliner Capri" or whatever you want...That way pix & etc are right where they are now....

PB (peanut butter consistency poly resin & cabosil (wood floor) mixed w/ 1/4" chopped mat fibers, oops thread has a recipe I think) or PL to glue them down to the hull. You'll want to make sure the stringers are spaced up off the hull @ 1/4" to prevent a hard corner of wooden stringer being directly touching the hull. Often small pieces of the pink/blue foam are cut into small spacers and placed under the stringer prior to applying either PB or PL.

Foam in a can isn't advisable, unless you are ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE it is closed cell. Open cell foam like 'great stuff' will absorb water. You also need to determine if the foam had structural functions or was 'only' for floatation. You'll have to get someone else to answer that question, as I have no Bayliner knowledge. My hull had no foam from the factory, and I am up in the air as to whether I'll put the pink/blue from HD/Lowes in or skip it.

Don't know where you're located, but USComposites.com is one of the favorite suppliers, among others. I am getting the bulk of my supplies from them, and shipping alone is almost 35% of my total purchase, and it's still my best alternative. Oops & others are able to get small quantities of resin & hardener from a local source close to them cheap. they are buying a gallon or 5gal out of a 55gal container, from someone who buys several hundred gals at a time. And although oops is saving $10-15/gal, he's still paying his supplier more then the supplier paid to buy it in bulk. Same w/ lots of guys buying glass fabric locally & cheap. Look around & you may find someone willing to sell the poly or the glass cloth to you from their bulk materials. Or that carry good products locally so you save the shipping, in my case $225 of my $675+/- USComposite's total cost of my order.

 

[oops!]

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hi buddy.....

glad you found the wet stuff....

no need to start a new thread....this one with all the info will give us the back ground on the build that we need.

if you read the first 16 pages of the link in my sig.....it will answer 99% of your questions.

as far as the rattle can expandable foam....the stuff is not good enough for what we need....
you will also use about 10 cases of it to get half the hull done.

as far as using the rigid foam boards.....this will depend on your actual hull it self
a lot of the hulls need the foam for structural rigidity...
the foam bonds to the hull, and provides an anti crush value to the hull. thus making the fiberglass hull even stronger than it is at this point.

as far as bedding the stringers, some people use pl construction adhesive.....i dont because of the very long cure times.
i use a peanut butter mix....(thickened poly resin) but its your boat, and you can use what ever you want.....just clear it thru us first, that way you wont end up using elmers school glue for this important job....

the rest of your questions like the hardener, the type of glass, how much and how, are in the link in my sig.

this is a link to the deck replacement and foam. but you are a ways from that right now....

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=522237

cheers....and carry on , your doin great !
oops

 

[jgregory01]

I dont mean to be a jerk...but you did walk in this boat before you purchased it right? How could you not know about this damage?

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[eavdic10]

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@jgregory01 , the guy selling it is 3 hours away from me we have great weather here in michigan around this time you can see the picture below. Boat is in top shape outside hull, no scratches has protective coating on it seats look new engine runs like a champ overall boat appearance is great I was on top of the boat but did not see the softspots in the floor . After I brought it inside the garage and next day went to check it out found the rotten spots......

 

[JDA1975]

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fast work, you aren't messing around! that is a beautiful boat, and once you rebuild this structure, you wont have much else to do except personal preference stuff you might want to add...keeping same thread works, your still in an early enough stage that you can change your own title, go to post 1 and edit post, change title and its done...I think it only works for like 10 days after the original post

 

[chriscraft254]

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Just a different point of veiw. I understand you didn't realize how bad the boat was. But have you thought about the time and money you will have invested in a boat that will probably not get back if resold what you are putting into her. the capri line of bayliners basically have a bad name. I'm not bashing, to each there own. But you might consider selling everything that is good on the boat and find a better investment.

If you do deside to go through with the project, I wish you the best and enjoy the restore process. It is fun to do if you like making old things beautiful again like many of us here. By the way, I am not saying you should be buying any boay for investment, just hate to see someone throw away money if they don't plan on keeping the boat for a long time. Good luck

 

[73Chrysler105]

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Awesome job on the tear out. Man your farther along in yours than I am in mine and you have only been working on it less than a month. I have owned mine for over a year now. In regards to some saying to get another boat I got that from some people with mine. No one here that I recall. I paid $250 for my boat and I think I overpaid. I basically bought a Hull and Trailer and figured the trailer was worth it. Realized on the way home the trailer was maybe half that value. Bottom line is if you are trying to flip boats no this boat wont be worth it but if you want a safe enjoyable boat that you can use with your family for years to come the Heck yeah its worth it. Besides now you really know whats in your boat and that its solid from the Hull up. Now if I could only decide if I want to be just like oops and stretch my 18.5' into a 23' boat. I need to get rid of some projects and get some more work done on the boat.

 

[eavdic10]

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@ chris, thank you I had the boat for a week now and I ripped everything out, I am the grinding stage...cut out the rotten parts in the stringers etc... hopefully this week and next have everything grinded and ready for glassing in the partial stringers. I rent boats out here in Michigan, people come over and pick them up and take anywhere around michigan and bring them back...I am sure If I put another $1,000 into this boat I can have my money back in two weeks worth of renting but I was dissapointed that I was lied to....thats what sucks

 

[eavdic10]

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Ok guys I got another question , right now its snowing in good old Grand Rapids MI, I have the boat in a garage without heating. I did temp reading today it was 45-50 degrees with closed doors. I can waterproof boards in my utility room in heated basement but is glassing in stringers possible at the 45 degree weather?

 

[oops!]

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glassing in stringers is tougher at 45 deg....

you can glass in colder temps by fooling the materials and the sub straight.

but a stringer is a lot of space/area to warm.

can you warm the room to 60 deg?

 

[eavdic10]

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its a 3 car garage I don't have heat in it. I can get heater maybe when I glass them in but for how long is it supposed to be at 60 degrees (24 hours ?) If that is possible then I might get a heater and heat it up at that time. I am thinking to use infrared heater to hang over the boat and let it heat it up....its 60,000 btu not sure if any of you guys ever used those and if they work?

 

[Burglary5%]

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I personally love that style of boat, looks just like the Arriva Ski my family had. Hope you dont mind if I follow along. As you can tell I dont post much but love reading the threads in preperation for my rebuild.

 

[Woodonglass]

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You just need to maintain the heat for a couple of hours. Resin cures fast. You could make a heat bar using clamp on lamp fixtures and heat lamps. and tent the boat.

6 of these
with heat lamps installed puts out a lot of heat under a tent

 

[rrumba]

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now that is a good idea that WOG. needed that one not to long ago.... :facepalm:

 

[73Chrysler105]

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@ chris, thank you I had the boat for a week now and I ripped everything out, I am the grinding stage...cut out the rotten parts in the stringers etc... hopefully this week and next have everything grinded and ready for glassing in the partial stringers. I rent boats out here in Michigan, people come over and pick them up and take anywhere around michigan and bring them back...I am sure If I put another $1,000 into this boat I can have my money back in two weeks worth of renting but I was dissapointed that I was lied to....thats what sucks

I may have to rent it from you then when I come up for the summer to visit the family. I am in Texas now but have family in Lowell, Mason, Ypsilanti, and my home town is Manistee. I understand the cold winters of Michigan and enjoy the nice winters of Texas but the heat of the Texas summers is almost unbearable. Being out on the boat every weekend of the summer and riding the chopper help though. Both of which I can pretty much do year round. I have been trying to talk my wife into letting me bring my boat up to Michigan this summer so I can really open her up on the big pond but she is leary of traveling that distance with it. Its only 1400 miles.

 

[73Chrysler105]

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You just need to maintain the heat for a couple of hours. Resin cures fast. You could make a heat bar using clamp on lamp fixtures and heat lamps. and tent the boat.

6 of these
with heat lamps installed puts out a lot of heat under a tent

You could also get some of those 500 watt work lights or the dual 500 watt lights (total of 1000 watts) those get real hot and heat up the area real nice while turning night into day. Don't ask me how I know this. Cold Late nights working on projects.

 

[oops!]

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its a 3 car garage I don't have heat in it. I can get heater maybe when I glass them in but for how long is it supposed to be at 60 degrees (24 hours ?) If that is possible then I might get a heater and heat it up at that time. I am thinking to use infrared heater to hang over the boat and let it heat it up....its 60,000 btu not sure if any of you guys ever used those and if they work?

it only needs to be hot enough to warm the sub straight for application and cure......6 hours.

the longer you can keep the heat on it the better.

i use a portable propane heater,,,,,if you can put the heater under a tent.....it wont have to be on as long as the heating area is smaller...

woodies clamp lights work....so do the quartz halogen lamps.....but you want the whole stringer to be warm....(min 60 deg) then you can fool the rest of the stuff like glass and resin by mixing it up in a warm area and running it out to the boat.