Rifle advice needed

dave11

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An M-1 carbine would be convenient, small, easy to handle, reliable. The gun and ammo are inexpensive. It doesn't have the power of the bigger guns, but you will have plenty of chances of stopping whatever you are aiming at with two banana clips taped together.
 

JCF350

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Your gonna be in close so a 12ga. with slugs and 000 will work the best.:)
 

avenger79

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I would keep a 30-06 for longer shots and hunting
a 12 gauge w/slugs for close home defense
and a 45 cal or at least 357 handgun for carry around yard as well as hiking or what not.

don't forget to teach the kids about the guns and how to respect them.
 

xxxflhrci

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An M-1 carbine would be convenient, small, easy to handle, reliable. The gun and ammo are inexpensive. It doesn't have the power of the bigger guns, but you will have plenty of chances of stopping whatever you are aiming at with two banana clips taped together.

1.) Way too light for a bear.

2.) Where are they inexpensive these days?
 

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1.) Way too light for a bear.

2.) Where are they inexpensive these days?

A cal .30 Carbine would probably just anger a bear, moose or elk at any range.:eek:

I don't think anyone has offered a better short range defense weapon than a 12ga slug, or a better all-purpose hunting weapon than a 30-06 or .308. If they overlap at all the overlap it trivial.

My carry sidearm (open) is currently a Ruger P90 in .45 ACP, but I prefer the heft and balance of a Blackhawk in .357.

No bullet or slug is any good unless you can put it where you want it, so only depend on guns that you are good with.
 

fishmen111

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I would lean away from slugs simply because you are back to a single projectile with recoil from helle (reacquiring target). I would go 30/06 before slugs, but I would go buckshot in a sawed-off 12 before anything else for close quarter fast action.
 

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Buckshot IS NOT good for bear. The individual pellets pull hair in and prevent alot of the bleeding. For a bear at close range I love my 45-70 loaded with a 405 grain bullet or a 12 ga slug..... penetration power normally w/o exiting the animal. This equals a full transfer of energy into the animal.
 

ilmostro99

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Wow, a lot of great advice from a lot of knowledgeable people. I knew I wouldn't go wrong posting this on this forum. The situation has changed a bit. After talking with my father, he said that he has three rifles, a Win. 300 mag, a 7 mag, and a 270, and that I can save a few $$ and have either the 270 or the 7 mag. Of course I thanked him by calling him a cheap bas**ard for not giving me the 300 mag :p I even tried the guilt trip by telling him what a horrible grandfather he is by giving me such a small rifle to protect his grandchildren. Then he responded that a real man wouldn't need a rifle to protect his children. Da*n, looks like the old man 1 up'ed me again.

Anyway, both of these are on the small side, but will do the job with a well placed shot. I consider myself a good shot, but of course there is always room for improvement. I'm going to take the money saved and buy a nice 12 gauge loaded alternately with shot and slugs to complement the rifle.
Now I just have to decide on the 270 or the 7 mag. I am kind of leaning towards the 270 simply because it was my grandfather's that he bought a few years before he passed away, and I don't know the history of the 7 mag.
I like hearing how many people like the 30/06. I have hunted many times with one, and in my opinion, it is the best, "If I could only have one rifle", gun out there. The only reason I didn't mention considering it is that now, the majority of my hunting will be for bigger game (I used to hunt small Central Coast California deer, but now that I am in Oregon, Elk will the the game of choice), and thought I could use something a little bigger.
Anyway, thank all of you for the advice. Any opinions on 7 mag vs. 270?

Erik
 

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I would consider the .270 light for elk. A great caliber for 100#-200# game, but not them BIG critters.

I think of the 7mm Remington Mag as being in the same class as the .300 Winchester Mag. That is what I would accept from the stingy old fart.
 

Nandy

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forget about the 270 for the game and bear you are after. I think the 7mm is also a big light for a charging bear...
 

xxxflhrci

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I would lean away from slugs simply because you are back to a single projectile with recoil from helle (reacquiring target).

No need to lean away from a slug due to recoil. You can get low recoil, tactical slugs. We carry them in our work guns. Even the smaller men and women have no problems fast shooting them on our training courses.

This guy doesn't even move from the recoil of whatever brand he is using:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8pF99EHjNM
 

Lone Duck

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I would keep a 30-06 for longer shots and hunting
a 12 gauge w/slugs for close home defense
and a 45 cal or at least 357 handgun for carry around yard as well as hiking or what not.

don't forget to teach the kids about the guns and how to respect them.
Yup! A bear can travel 20 ' per second Keep your eyes open. If you have time , kneel down to face the critter , Then it can't run under your shot, your point of aim is the nose. At the speed of the critter , if you are standing, you aim at the head and only wound it around the hind quarters. He runs under your shot.
 

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A cal .30 Carbine would probably just anger a bear, moose or elk at any range.:eek:

I don't think anyone has offered a better short range defense weapon than a 12ga slug, or a better all-purpose hunting weapon than a 30-06 or .308. If they overlap at all the overlap it trivial.

My carry sidearm (open) is currently a Ruger P90 in .45 ACP, but I prefer the heft and balance of a Blackhawk in .357.

No bullet or slug is any good unless you can put it where you want it, so only depend on guns that you are good with.


Glad to see someone mentioned the .308. The remington 700 in .308 is one of the most accurate out of the box guns ever made. And has plenty of power.
 

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My brothers friend & neighbor, if you can call him that by city standards, it is the next house but about two miles away. It is pretty remote to say the least.

Has used his (12ga. w/Slug) twice in the last two years.

The first time his wife was in the kitchen cooking, he was on the computer in the living room and his two little girls were watching TV. They screamed and he turned to see a bear at the sliding glass screen door. A second later there was no more door. Two seconds after that, there was a bear laying in the living room.

The second time was about a year later. They were eating dinner and a man appeared at the kitchen window looking very strange.

Long story short version.

Telephone call to the Sheriff. Man breaks kitchen window. Threatens family. Comes around to the before mentioned sliding glass door, throws a brick through the door and opens it. Sheriff's department still on the phone, response time, estimated 30 to 40 minutes. Man threatens family with handgun, sheriff says shoot. That was the last of his threats. He had escaped during a remote “Meth Lab” raid into the forest three days before, was listed as armed & dangerous, and had a long line of prior convictions.

I'll spare the details, but I will say the girls were tramatised, and the family moved closer to town.

They still have the land, but now rent the house out.

We have bears on our land, have no problem with them, and are glad they are there. That is why we have it, nature you know & all that stuff, but we are cautious. No garbage is ever put outside, every trip to town is a garbage run. If they want to eat, they have to eat what nature supplies.

The problem bears are problems, because not all our neighbors are aware that they teach the animals bad habits by suppling them with a regular dinner.

The more the city moves in our direction, the more problems we have. “Meth Lab Chemist” & “Town Home Environmentalist”.

If you live in a remote area, you have to come to grips with the fact you are on your own, at least in the short term, and long term help is often too little, too late.
 

sunaj

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Any of the large 30 cal+ rifles will do, plus a coach gun with heavy buck for the house. You can't beat the venerable 30-06 on this continent. There really isn't one rifle for every need (remember that next time you need an excuse to buy your next rifle, and I KNOW you gun owners know what I mean:)

Levers are great for most realistic hunting ranges, and allows a quick follow-up (the only reason I disavow single shots in bear country)
 

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Well first I will address the big creatures. The 300 Win mag is a no loose weapon for those big ones. For the ones that are supposed to be smarter that the furry ones I would go with a good 12 ga with 00 or 000 buck.
 

Uraijit

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If you want some serious bang for the buck, get a Mosin Nagant. It shoots a 7.62x54R, with some SERIOUS energy.

The best part is that they're a dime-a-dozen. I picked up two of them for $39 each, a few months back.

You can find 'em all day long for under $100.

My brother shot a 1/2" steel plate spinner target with one of those, and thought he'd missed, because the spinner didn't spin.

Went and looked at it, and the thing sliced right through the plate so fast that nothing moved. True story!

Another good option would be a good pump action 12-gauge shotgun, with slugs. That'll take out a Grizzly, let alone a little black bear. I'm partial to the Remington 870, which can be had for around $200 on the used market. You can also get a Mossberg 500 for even cheaper, which is a very close copy of the Rem 870.
 

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Having only one gun is like having only one rod, one reel and one lure.
 
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