Rookie boater, DIY mechanic needs help!

jayhamm34

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I just bought my first boat about a month ago. It's a 1994 Bayliner Capri 1750. It has the 3.0l mercruiser. So heres what my rookie self did. I parked the boat outside in a storage lot (HOA rules) and forgot to remove the drain plug. Started getting rain last weekend and didn't think much of it. Waited one week to go get the boat and start working on some cosmetic issues. Got to the lot and the boat has about 12 inches of water in it, really brackish looking too. I drain it, tow it home and finish cleaning it up. I go to start it since it hadn't ran in a week. I didn't think to check the oil before I started it. It started right, blowing white smoke. I didn't think anything of this because of the age of the engine. It ran for all of 15-20 seconds and sputtered and died. When I cranked it again it made a loud CLUNK and now won't start. When I checked the oil it definitely had water in it (if only i had checked before i started it). I changed the oil/filter. Now when I crank it, the starter makes a single click, the motor will not turn. Does anyone think I seized the motor in that short of a time, or is there something else I can try to solve my problem. I am willing to rebuild the motor, plus I have the skills and equipment to do this. I picked the boat/motor/trailer for less than a grand, and don't feel like it's worth much more than the five hundred or so the rebuild kit is going to cost. That is why I don't want to take it to a mechanic, just to pay them to find out what my gut is telling me. Thanks for the help.
 

rickryder

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Re: Rookie boater, DIY mechanic needs help!

Remove the plugs and try to turn the motor by hand..... That will tell you if its seized or not.....
 

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pull the plugs and check for water in the cylinders

if they are wet, leave them out and crank the engine until you get the water out, then get the engine running asap, bad news to leave the water in there for too long
 

jayhamm34

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Re: Rookie boater, DIY mechanic needs help!

I don't know why I didn't think of that. The main crank bolt is behind the mount, how would you turn a marine engine manually?
 

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Doubt it is seized. It sounds like your starter motor isn't getting the correct voltage - since you had almost a foot of water in it you may want to check / clean your wire contacts, maybe even remove your starter motor and bench test it. If you have a remote starter solenoid take it off and clean where it mounts to as it grounds the solenoid...
 

jayhamm34

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Re: Rookie boater, DIY mechanic needs help!

I ordered a service/repair manual and don't expect it till Tuesday. I was looking at the starter and did notice some really funky scum (for lack of a better word) on the connections. I hooked up jumper cables to my truck thinking that it sounded like it wasn't getting enough "juice". Again the starter just made one click per turn of the key, I held the key once and a bit of smoke came from the starter.
 

dubs283

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the starter is probably toast since it was underwater, remove it and have it rebuilt or replaced

check the wiring as stated in a previous post, remove and clean all connections, check your voltages,

see here:

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=167035

you can find links to download OEM engine manuals in the merc info section in the must have info sticky at the top of the threads page

you more than likely ordered a clymer or seloc manual, those things only confuse people, hopefully you can cancel the order
 
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Re: Rookie boater, DIY mechanic needs help!

But, what is the deal with water in the engine?

How did it get in? Was it there when you bought it? Did the engine have an issue when you bought it and the owner sold it as is?
 

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Re: Rookie boater, DIY mechanic needs help!

But, what is the deal with water in the engine?

How did it get in? Was it there when you bought it? Did the engine have an issue when you bought it and the owner sold it as is?

Ya might wanna read the first post over......
 

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Re: Rookie boater, DIY mechanic needs help!

It started right, blowing white smoke. I didn't think anything of this because of the age of the engine. It ran for all of 15-20 seconds and sputtered and died. When I cranked it again it made a loud CLUNK and now won't start. When I checked the oil it definitely had water in it (if only i had checked before i started it). I changed the oil/filter. Now when I crank it, the starter makes a single click, the motor will not turn.

Did ja check the battery? Whenever I hear a single click that is generally what I have to do first (not that it solves all the problems, just that particular one). True your starter may be bad, but I doubt it since it started ok the first time and just because your other instruments work doesn't mean your battery still has enough juice to turn the motor. The motor is definitely not seized though, well, the chances are very slim, they are pretty resilient.

If you want to crank the motor by hand, take all the spark plugs out, remembering the order of where the wires are (it should be 1,3,4,2 in case you forget) then put a wrench on two of the four bolts to the water pump cover (I say two so that you don't snap one of the bolts, have a buddy with you and move countering bolts at the same time if need be). I'm sure the motor will turns. Also make sure your in neutral of course, you can always confirm this by turning the prop by hand, it should spin freely both directions.

Be super concerned with time, but not with overall results. So long as you can act quickly a complete rebuild is not necessary. Change the oil and filter, I always do it two times, the second after I have run the engine at normal op temp. The thing is water does boil so even if there is a residual amount, it's ok, just don't let water sit in the engine trying to figure out what to do. Then it will be toast. Best of luck.
 

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Re: Rookie boater, DIY mechanic needs help!

maybe just me, but I have a hard time seeing how 12 inches of water in the bilge could get inside the motor.
 
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maybe just me, but I have a hard time seeing how 12 inches of water in the bilge could get inside the motor.

Myself included... :rolleyes:

So water is going to get in like thru the pan? But oil never leaked out of it? Even if the starter is under water, it gets to the flywheel area the rear and front seal should keep it out. The pan probably almost 6" off the bilge so another 6" should not even get to the pan bolts.

I think it got in another way, but hope I'm wrong. :confused:
 

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If there is enough water in your engine to notice it on the stick - the water in the oil is likely unrelated to the boat being left out in the rain although there are ways rain water can trickle down into your engine. You'll need to remove components like the starter and solenoid etc and clean them up - make sure there is no water in there or rusted components creating a short. Make sure you clean the mounting areas - corrosion between two components also causes bad ground. If they aren't getting good ground it doesn't matter how much voltage you apply it won't work.
 

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Similar thing happened to me last year except the water came in through the intake (Throttle body sits directly under the gap between the sun deck and transom and I had the arrester off) I pulled the plugs, pumped the water out, sprayed PB Blaster (Penetrating oil) and oil into the cylinders, got it all lubed up, changed oil and filter, compression test was good, plugs back in started and has been running fine for about 75 hours.
 

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Best advice so far was to pull the sparkplugs and see if it will crank over and spew water out the plug holes. If you have ignored that advice so far and you indeed have water in the cylinders from pooling in the intakes until you started it, etc then you're gonna trash the engine continuously trying to crank it. It was good advice then and every hour you ignore it could be costing you $$
 

Capn G

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Re: Rookie boater, DIY mechanic needs help!

Could be that the water got higher than 12" and got in thru the spark plugs... those aren't 100% sealed... my experience with my "friendly helper" at boat storage putting my plug back into my boat over the winter got the water way up... but not up to the plugs as evidenced the waterline in the engine compartment.... but it did submerge the starter and completely soaked the gimbal.... wouldn't be surprised once you get the engine/starter equation fixed, you don't start hearing growling and complaining from the outdrive.....NOTHING that I can see that keeps water OUT of the gimbal from the INSIDE of the boat other than keeping the plug out when not on the water....
 

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Re: Rookie boater, DIY mechanic needs help!

Best advice so far was to pull the sparkplugs and see if it will crank over and spew water out the plug holes. If you have ignored that advice so far and you indeed have water in the cylinders from pooling in the intakes until you started it, etc then you're gonna trash the engine continuously trying to crank it. It was good advice then and every hour you ignore it could be costing you $$

Exactly...but I think we are all just talking to ourselves now, he probably traded it in for a dirt bike. lol
 
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