Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

Xandre

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Over the past couple years water has gotten under the floor of my boat and is rotting the wood away and making the boat very heavy. I try to hand pump the water out by sticking a pump into some holes in the floor but can never get it all out.

My question is: If I rip out the rotting plywood floor is it safe to boat around without a floor? Or will this damage the hull in some way?

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gcboat

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

Need the deck - it is part of your hull's integrity.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

fix it or get rid of it. next to worthless as it is. looks like a nice vintage boat.
 

triumphrick

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

Checking out the wheel and gauges, she seems like a neat old runabout. I definitely agree that it is unsafe to use her as she is. Foot goes thru the hull, water rushes in:eek: There are many posts from lots of folks whe done deck replacements, so surf on in and read what they have done. Good luck!
 

Xandre

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

Thanks for the comments here.

To me the boat is far from useless. She is my first and only boat and I'm not ready to give up on her just yet. I cover up the two holes in the floor when I am out on it for saftey and can still skip around the water, depending on the load in the boat, at 16-20 mph. So I'm happy just being able to get out on the lake (Ontario) and enjoy myself.

Looks like I may have to make an attempt to replace the floor or at very least make another hole in the floor towards the back of the boat to pump out the water I can't currently access.

By the way the boat is a nice little classic runabout. 1968 fiberglass. Aerocraft. I couldn't be happier with it....dispite the rotting floor and need of a carb rebuild =)
 

NSBCraig

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

Yeah, if you know it's broke- well you kind of already know it's broke.

Don't use it fix it.

( any pics of the whole boat you've peak some interest in it, let us see it )
 

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

Ayuh,.....

If the Deck is that Rotten,.....

Just what do you think the Stringers look like,..?? Very Rotten also I'll bet....
The Stringers are the backbone of your hull,....
Without them,.. You don't have much of a boat.....

That boat is an Accident looking for a place to happen,...
Especially out on Big Water like Lake Ontario....
 

reelfishin

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

Thanks for the comments here.

To me the boat is far from useless. She is my first and only boat and I'm not ready to give up on her just yet. I cover up the two holes in the floor when I am out on it for saftey and can still skip around the water, depending on the load in the boat, at 16-20 mph. So I'm happy just being able to get out on the lake (Ontario) and enjoy myself.

Looks like I may have to make an attempt to replace the floor or at very least make another hole in the floor towards the back of the boat to pump out the water I can't currently access.

By the way the boat is a nice little classic runabout. 1968 fiberglass. Aerocraft. I couldn't be happier with it....dispite the rotting floor and need of a carb rebuild =)

Got any pics of the whole boat? I just looked at an older Aerocraft, about a 1966-67. It's a bowrider, sort of a cross between a trihull and a skiff. The dash area resembles yours. I'm curious as to how its built. The deck to hull is super shallow in this boat. Less than 3 inches if I'm guessing right. It appears also to be a trapped bilge with no deck access. There's a drain plug but it's above the deck on one side. There is no way that I can see to drain the actual bilge. I looked at another one about two years ago, it had the same type of construction, no stringers, no lower bilge drain, and the transom wood was only at the top 6" of the transom. The rest was just glass. It also had sealed flotation tubes in each gunwale. Neat boat but I passed on that one, the one I looked at the other day has more potential. Both that I've seen had Chrysler 50HP motors. The first one I looked at had a self bailing forward bow area and the side seats were made in a way as to accommodate a drop in platform or casting deck. I'm not really sure if they intended it to be a casting deck or some sort of bed or bunk area, but since I'd be fishing off it, it would be a casting deck. The edges of the seat were recessed to accept a 3/4" thick panel in between the bow seats. It also had a separator or step to step over getting to the bow area. This was designed to prevent any water that may come over the bow from draining into the main area of the boat. This force it to drain via a left and right drain tube which was connected to two drains just below the level of the front deck, just foward of the windshield area.

Anyhow, the type of construction can make a difference in how much the rotted deck will affect the hulls integrity. On the one I saw here, it looks like the deck forms both the main structure of the hull as well as providing some trapped air space for flotation.
 

Xandre

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

Got any pics of the whole boat? I just looked at an older Aerocraft, about a 1966-67. It's a bowrider, sort of a cross between a trihull and a skiff. The dash area resembles yours. I'm curious as to how its built. The deck to hull is super shallow in this boat. Less than 3 inches if I'm guessing right. It appears also to be a trapped bilge with no deck access. There's a drain plug but it's above the deck on one side. There is no way that I can see to drain the actual bilge. I looked at another one about two years ago, it had the same type of construction, no stringers, no lower bilge drain, and the transom wood was only at the top 6" of the transom. The rest was just glass. It also had sealed flotation tubes in each gunwale. Neat boat but I passed on that one, the one I looked at the other day has more potential. Both that I've seen had Chrysler 50HP motors. The first one I looked at had a self bailing forward bow area and the side seats were made in a way as to accommodate a drop in platform or casting deck. I'm not really sure if they intended it to be a casting deck or some sort of bed or bunk area, but since I'd be fishing off it, it would be a casting deck. The edges of the seat were recessed to accept a 3/4" thick panel in between the bow seats. It also had a separator or step to step over getting to the bow area. This was designed to prevent any water that may come over the bow from draining into the main area of the boat. This force it to drain via a left and right drain tube which was connected to two drains just below the level of the front deck, just foward of the windshield area.

Anyhow, the type of construction can make a difference in how much the rotted deck will affect the hulls integrity. On the one I saw here, it looks like the deck forms both the main structure of the hull as well as providing some trapped air space for flotation.

Sorry for the delay here. Your description sounds very much like my boat. The deck to hull is only 2-3 inches and traps the water inside. The plug is above the deck so it doesn't really help. You can see what I think are the strongers in these pics. They are coated in fiberglass or something else and don't seem to be rotting. However I can only see a limited area of the stringers. The deck as a whole doesn't seem to be totally rotting. It feels dry up front where i can get my hand under and feel.

I am much less eager now to rip the old deck off if the deck is holding the boat together. I'll have to do something eventually.

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

It seems the consensus is the Boat is unsafe to use as it is. The water will collect at the back near the transom. Rip the floor out and get a good look at the rest of the stringers. If the rest look as good as the last pic you could probably get away with just replacing the floor. Not a big job. If they are rotten in other places they need to be changed. There is nothing safe about just covering up the 2 holes.
 

Xandre

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

The holes aren't really the part of this that is Unsafe. The deck doesn't feel soft in other locations but I have to believe at least some parts are rotting. What is unsafe is the structural integrity of the boat now that the deck is rotting.

I don't see how the deck is attached to the stringers. It doesn't seem to be nailed down. Should I simply custom cut some plywood and use adhesive to attach them to the stringers?

Thanks =)
 

NoKlu

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

There are lots of good threads about replacing the floor. Time to start reading. this one will get you started as it has good discussions about attaching the deck to the hull and stringers.http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=254765&highlight=replace+deck Untill the floor is out you won't know just how big [or small] a job it will be. Could be the stringers and transom need to be replaced as well.
 

Xandre

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

Thanks. I have been searching threads on floor replacment but haven't found exactly the detail I need. I will search the thread you sent.
 

NoKlu

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

Here's another one my brothers doing http://http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=234392. Another good one is Unintentional stringer job. Those should keep you reading for a while. lol Lots of great info here but at times hard to find if you don't know where to look.
 

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

if the strings are in tact......to rip out the deck.....and re glass it...is only 20 hrs in that boat, and under 200 dollars.......a novice with experiance could do it in 10.....its really no big deal to replace......but it is a big deal if its rotted
 

Xandre

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

Thanks for the feedback again here. I am going up and down on whether to replace the floor or not myself. One problem is that the boat is in the water for the season so I have to preform any reapirs while it is on my lift (see earlier pic). I don't have a truck to put it on a trailer so..well thats how it goes. It would be exposed to elements during mid job I would think....it rians alot here in Rochester.

Heading to the boat now to work on the carb and contemplate the deck. =)
 

Xandre

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

OK I have re-examined the deck and think the rotting may not be as wide spread as I thought. The holes in the deck originated over these two covered regions which went through the deck to the hull. See pics...they are the small brown strips...they aren't wood but instead almost a plastic/fiberstuff.

I'm not sure what the point of these areas is. They seem like access points to get to the hull but they were sealed over. You can see this on the left sife of the deck where these areas are still intact.

My thought is that only the regions aorund the two holes are rotting and the rot hasn't spread to the left side of the boat at all because water currently has no way to get there. There is only water trapped between the stringers on the right side of the boat.

But this could be wishful thinking.

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triumphrick

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

It appears those spots are the mounting locations for back to back seats. It makes sense because the most damage is for the captains seat, always occupied and taking the most stress. The marks are from bonding agent used to mount seat brackets if I am seeing this correctly. And hey, who said this has to be done this year or season. Just be careful and look forward to a nice winter project that is not that difficult. Read those threads or even google "boat floor replacement and check out some of the 3,530,000 sites with information. ;)
 

Xandre

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

Hey Thanks...thats a 2nd opinion I like =)

I think I will be more cautious about taking her out into Ontario and will try to keep in the bay unless nice and calm. I was thinking baout cutting a section of the deck out and doing a partial replace...not sure if that is wise or not.

Thank you!
 

plumbers12

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Re: Rotting floor- Safe to boat without floor?

My brother and i just bought a 73 MFG "W" hull and we too have a rotting floor. under the plywood the stringers are rotted as well. can they be replaced and with what kind of wood? Also, what is a transom. we need to restore the whole boat and are new to the whole process. Thanks.
 
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