Rough running and possible mis-fire....water or carbon??

MASTERBrian

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Haven't had boat out since late last season until yesterday. Last time out we did a fair amount of tubing and just idling around, etc. Towards the end of the day I noticed the boat seemed to be running a bit rough, so I brought it in. Though I did get it winterized, I never had a chance to go through things and take it back out.

Yesterday, I finally got it back out for the first time this year. It was very windy so the lake was rough, but I wanted to run her and get some fresh gas run through to see how she was going. The mixture, which I always do at start and towards end of season was 1 pint of seafoam to 12 gallons of gas. She fired right up, but seemed a bit sluggish off the start. Wide open she seemed to run fine with no signs of missing. I had my high speed prop on, so wasn't sure if that was the cause of the low end sluggishness, due to decently choppy water. 22+ mile an hour winds with gusts I believe upwards of 30-40mph and about 1'+ white caps.

In any case, the time it took to plane out seemed to get progressively worse and on way back to ramp, it seemed to affect the mid-top end a bit as well. Wasn't out too long, maybe 20-30minutes with boat running. Due to the chop I didn't want to mess with it on the trailer, so we towed it back to the campsite and I pulled the cowl off to look around. I pulled all the plugs and they were more black than brown, looked wet and looked to have some carbon flakes on them as well. My buddy who is very big into cars, thought the plugs looked pretty good, for what that's worth, I didn't like the carbon flakes that seemed to be there. I also noticed that there appeared to be small water pools in misc. areas on the bottom cowl towards the front of the engine. Upon further examination I also found that the hose going to the water by-pass had some cracks in it.

My thought at this stage is, the hose to the by pass was leaking spraying water on the engine, causing a mist, which was probably causing the poor performance. What I'm worried about is carbon build up causing sticky rings. With that said, I've owned the boat about 7yrs and around the first year I had to rebuild the motor due to a ring sticking due to carbon build up. Hence why I try to run seafoam through on a fairly regular basis, I think I've also decarbed it once a few years ago, if not twice. So, while I'm skiddish on that thought I am doubtful that's my problem.

My plan is to pull all the plugs and clean them with a spark plug cleaner, basically it sand blasts them, then I'll spray them well with air and carb cleaner. I also plan to mix up some decarb mix and run that through the entire engine. I may also run a quick compression check. While doing the decarb or right before I do that, I'll likely stick the cracked hose on see if it definitely does spray water out.

I'm curious if anyone has feedback on my plans or other things to check. Fuel filter looked great, I'm also wondering about the fuel/water separator as it hasn't been replaced for a year or so. I'll probably pick a new one up tomorrow.

In case it isn't in my profile, this is an '86 Evinrude XP 150 on a Ranger 373v.
 

Watermann

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Re: Rough running and possible mis-fire....water or carbon??

Sounds like your on the right track to me. I would just replace the spark plugs rather than clean and check the plug wires, they may need replaced as well.
 

MASTERBrian

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Re: Rough running and possible mis-fire....water or carbon??

Changed all plugs, with used, but clean ones. Will probably but a set of new, but for now it's what I had. The water line at by-pass fitting definitely leaked a solid solid stream on bottom of cowl cover. All plugs were golden brown to black in color with what appeared to me to be carbon flaking. #6 appeared to be the worst with lots of gunk on it, so maybe it was fouling out as well.
I ran 3/4 gallon of decarb mix through and the piston tops look better, but still smoke when i ran out of mix. Would this work better under load at the lake or should I take her out and see how she runs?
sounded great on trailer with the house attached.
 

MASTERBrian

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Re: Rough running and possible mis-fire....water or carbon??

Got her back to the lake today and again she ran like crap..... for about 30min! In fact it seemed to run worse than the last time i had her out. I even started thinking it might be the prop, so I stopped and changed it. In neutral she'd Rev fine, then I would let it idle and ease into full throttle and she'd sputter, if I just put throttle all the way down she'd die. Finally after about thirty minutes of this I was getting ready to head back to trailer and gave it full throttle and then she went and ran fine for the next hour or so until I loaded her up.

Any ideas?

I never did a compression check, so wonder if ring had been sticking or if something else. Next thought is maybe some gumming up in carb or another part of fuel system. It had been last August/September since I last had her out.

Just kind of wondering if I should just go with it or still be worried.
 

Watermann

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Re: Rough running and possible mis-fire....water or carbon??

Yeah that sounds like you may be having some fuel delivery issues. Open it up, too much air not enough fuel, sputter and dies. Carb rebuilds or at least clean them out, new hoses, fuel pump kit and see if that makes her run.
 

MASTERBrian

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Re: Rough running and possible mis-fire....water or carbon??

Is there any reason to open it up if running good now?
All fuel lines and even the fuel pump were replaced a few years back.
 

MASTERBrian

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Re: Rough running and possible mis-fire....water or carbon??

Well, took it out over the 4th and she ran great the night of the 4th. Ended up running out of fuel on tank #1 heading back from a firework show, so switched to tank #2 and again she ran great, minus getting swamped twice by monster waves that crashed over the front of the boat. The 2nd wave put about 1-2' of water in the boat, so she was sluggish until the bilges got her dry again!!

The next morning on tank #2 she fired right up, but then dogged out and didn't want to stay running and the fuel primer bulb seemed to be having issues keeping pressure. I was able to troll over to the marina, filled both tanks full and was still having some issues/so I trolled out and played with her a bit. Finally got her idling strong and let her idle for about 10min. After that, she ran great the rest of the weekend and we ran about 70-100gallons of gas through her.

Visually inspected fuel lines and they all look very good with no signs of cracking, I replaced a bunch of them a few years back. My best guess at this point is either the pick ups had some gunk that they were picking up or the pump is getting week when cold. Again, I'm sure I rebuilt/replaced that pump a couple of years back when I rebuilt the motor. I'm thinking maybe I'll replace the gauge and the pickups, since the gauge is getting hard to read and the pickups are likely original. Unless there isn't anything that can go wrong with the pickups, then I won't waste my money.

I did have a problem with the fuel manifold last year, it split in two and was leaking, but I found some epoxy for it and it seems to be holding great. The split was on a factory joint, where the glue just weakened.

I really figure the old fuel just gelled a bit, I'm hoping it's all cleared out, especially since the one 12 gallon tank was ran completely dry and took 13 gallons to fill it up. Hmmm.....
 
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