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txswinner

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isn't that picture a waste of bandwidth???? And the name calling. Where is JB when we need him.
 
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Whats this bandwidth stuff? It only needs to be wide enough to hold your watch on your arm ;) :confused:
 
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[start sarcasm] Yep, old Rmmy and Cheney are just evil people that love sending thousands of soldiers to the battlefield and some to thier deaths. I am sure they dont care at all and are laughing on their grave. They truly are the eveil people here. Bin Laden is right, America is evil. [end sarcasm]<br /><br />Please think before you type tx.<br /><br />Ken
 
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Originally posted by CJY:<br />
Originally posted by oddjob:<br />Nope didnt see it. Anyone thats against the enemy is ok by me,anyone that gets in the way ( with body or mouth )will be treated like a fly on a pie on a sunday picnic. Thx for posting. <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />originally posted by Elmer:<br />The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.<br />A case in point is Iran, though an ememy to Al Queda, the Taliban and Saddam, Iran is not our friend.
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OJ, you should just stick with the one liners. You shoud have stopped at "nope didnt see it."<br />By the way, ;) thx for posting. :)
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FISH ON!<br /><br /> ;) :D
 
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Hey Frogger, didn't we say the same thing during Viet Nam? About have real military people in charge, that is.
 
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txswinner

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Ken you are the only one that said anything about Bin Laden much less that he is right. Just a thought for you brilliance. Why have not our great leaders captured him, could it be there is no money in it for them. You type and we know it is a joke.
 
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wow, you truly believe they are evil.<br /><br />If you honestly believe this, how can you sit at home and do nothing?<br /><br />I know if I thought my president did things only for his own self interest, I would be organizing a coup d'état.<br /><br />Ken
 
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And then you would be considered a terrorist. Maybe all those terrorists in Iraq are thinking that very thing.....
 
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No, a terrorist targets innocent victims to bribe those in power. A soldier targets the actual people that are in power.<br /><br />I could only wish these terrorists would become soldiers and fight like men.<br /><br />Ken
 
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I have heard this "we're there for the oil" since the beginning but where is the oil? What benefit is Bush getting out of this? What benefit is anyone getting out of this besides the Iraq people who have a chance to live wihout Saddam and his sons and henchmen? I am open to any intelligent answer to this. If we are there for the oil why don't we just take it and get back to dollar a gallon gasoline?
 
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QC wrote,<br /><br /><br />"It is not funny to me though that when I use the word evil to describe someone like Saddam, or Iran or North Korea, I am considered a simpleton, but when txs refers to American leaders as evil we just walk on by . . . Hmmmmmm, yep, not funny, twisted and sad . . ."<br /> <br />I've never said your use of evil makes you a simpleton and I never read anyone else saying so. In fact I think the way you slide the debate over to "evil" is quite ingenious QC. Your smart enough to know that if you get caught up debating all the lies and misinformation leading up to the war your going to loose that debate. So, you've managed to very effectively shift the debate to a more abstract discussion of "evil". I give you credit QC, debate on your terms not theirs. Or, maybe I'm giving you too much credit. :confused:
 
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oddjob<br /> checked out the above link. it saide absolutly nothing.<br /> I did watch most of the press conference. the ex CIA guy was not heckling, he was asking pointed questions that the answer was a matter of public record and he included speech's,speech place and dates and the transcropts of Rumsfelds words.<br /> I guess, in king georges court, any sensible question that asks for a truthful answer is considered heckling now and is grounds for removal. why if anyone says the Emperor has no clothes they should be executed. <br /> but most of what I saw were questions asking about what Rumsfeld had said were "slam dunk: things that he later said well we did not know.<br /> stuff like that.<br />the man is plain incompetent, its just that simple, the reporter even tried to ask why were humvess having scrap iron purchased in iraqi junk yards being welded to humvees by iraqi welders as crude armor plating when Rumsfeld had been warned in writing in 03 that our equipment was not and would not be ready by april of 03 and requested a setback to aug/sep of 03 to prepare the gear.<br /> that general was "transfered".<br /> can ya answer the question about the humvee armor?<br />rummy cant
 
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Too much credit jimonica . . . Sorry, gotta be controversial once in a while, I have been pretty tame lately. I have however, been harped on for using the evil word for a while. Thought I could lump you in, it's the company you keep and comes with the territory.<br /><br />My only point is the one that KIZ is making, and it was aimed at txs. Kinda related to things that I have gotten excited about before. Words, especially on-line, are all that we have. If Rumsfeld is evil and Cheney is promoting war simply to line his pockets, we live in one of the worst places on the planet. I choose to believe that we have saved more people than we have ever killed, so that puts us in the win column in my book. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have continued that legacy. If txs is correct with his malarkey, then we should gather up our hard fought for personal arms and march on DC. Locked and loaded. Since you're in his camp, then you should have been there already. <br /><br />Edit: Sorry Mod 3 and jimonica. It was, intended as a general comment on the link between words and the level of appropriate action consistent with those words, not direct name calling.
 
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I've often heard on these subjects where there has been some very powerful debate that "nobodys mind has been changed".<br />A lot of times there are some very credible facts included. Most of the time there are the facts as they have played out in actual reality complete with "freeze frame".<br />I've witnessed during many debates where a fact is produced the next response is to ignore it and side-step to another point. That point can be addressed with a fact and it is ignored and side-stepped again.<br />The same arguements, the same points, the same side-stepping, over and over again.<br /><br />My own conclusion is that all the President's job approval numbers whether on the war or otherwise are dead-on accurate. That last 30% are the same minds that will never be changed. <br />I suppose any President can always rely on somewhere around a 30% in-denial rate.
 
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all I want rumsfeld to answer is why not delay the invasion until the Generals and those tasked with bleeding in the sand were fully prepared with the correct gear to accomplish the mission.<br /> he wont even do that.<br />every one was warned that the gear selected for that particular mission was not mission ready and would need modifications.<br />from Humvees to tanker trucks.<br /> anyone that said the emporer had no clothes got sacked.<br /> if that is not incompetence maybe we should fold homeland bungling and FEMA under rumsfeld control too.
 
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QC wrote,<br /><br />"If txs is correct with his malarkey, then we should gather up our hard fought for personal arms and march on DC. Locked and loaded. Since you're in his camp, then you should have been there already. If you believe that stuff, you are a (edited mod 3) for not marching. If you don't, then you should post what you really do believe . . . "<br /><br />If you haven't notice QC, I've been really big on Conservatives making up straw arguments lately, just to knock them down and you just made up a whopper. I like the way you connected the dots all on assumption.<br /><br />You assume that if TXS is correct in his "malarkey", then, we should all march on Washington locked and loaded. You assume I'm in this "camp". You assume I believe this stuff. You assume if I'm not marching on Washington with a loaded weapon that I'm a hypocrite? If I don't believe what TXS is posting, you feel I should say so? Since when? Then is it fair to assume that you believe everything that is written by your fellow conservatives? Because I don't see you posting anything to the contrary. :confused: Thats just ridiculous QC. You know better than that.<br /><br />And the $64,000 question is, what did TXS say anyway? I have know idea what your talking about. :confused: <br /><br />BTW, QC wrote,<br /><br />"Thought I could lump you in, it's the company you keep and comes with the territory."<br /><br />Please don't "lump" me in with anyone QC. Even though I like TXS and think he is fine and honorable man, I have my hands full as it is having to explain my words over and over after you conservatives have got done twisting them around. I'll stick by my own words and TXS is a big boy, he can stick by his.
 
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I happened to be mopping up my post and saw this jimonica. I have disagreed regularly with some conservative positions here. Especially on border control. But that was not the point. I am sure it is my inability to articulate my thoughts and like you said "connect the dots". I am still not sure why we always find each other, as I said I have been relatively tame lately and am not out to offend you.<br /><br />How about no lumping from either of us? I think txs is honorable too. I also think that claiming we have "evil" people in charge should come with some relevant action if that is what is truly believed.<br /><br />BTW, I am not "sliding" anything. I believe my malarkey . . . ;) Rock on.
 
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