Running motor on muffs procedure, whats wrong?

[tonyscj5]

Just got a new used 1995 130hp evinrude. Mounted it up and started it w/ the muffs but no water out the tell tale? I used the muffs the same way I have used them on my smaller outboards in the past. The seller told me that it pumped water, and actually took a dig pic of it pumping h20 before I bought it. (motor was bought over the net from out of the area) So I doubt it is the water pump, maybe it just up and went bad during the shipping??? <br /><br />What could I be doing wrong? I heard talk of a flush plug on another post, what is this?<br /><br />please help<br /><br />thanks<br />tony

 

[Dhadley]

Re: Running motor on muffs procedure, whats wrong?

How long did you let it run?

 

[tonyscj5]

Re: Running motor on muffs procedure, whats wrong?

I let it run maybe 20 seconds, I did not want to risk damage.<br /><br />maybe I should give it more time.<br /><br />thanks

 

[rwcreigh1]

Re: Running motor on muffs procedure, whats wrong?

replace the water pump and start there.

 

[tonyscj5]

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I dont have a manual yet, can anyone give me a quick run through on water pump replacement<br /><br /><br />thanks<br />Tony

 

[R.Johnson]

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I think I would take a look at a possibly plugged tell-tale before I replaced the pump. Run the engine, and see how warm it gets to the touch.

 

[jim dozier]

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I think if I bought a used outboard of any type over the internet I would replace the water pump, pee stream or not, on general principles. Unless the seller can confirm (receipts) that it had been replaced in the last 6mos or so I would just do it. Then examine the cooling system for proper performance. Just my opinion.

 

[tonyscj5]

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Yeah, It is looking like I will be replacing the H20 pump. I am trying to give the seller the benefit of the doubt on this purchase. So far he has been very straight forward w/ everything. The odd thing is I asked him for a pic of the motor running, and he said he did not have one, but could take one. He returned with the pic of it peeing in a short time. So it seems like it was pumping water when he shipped it. <br /><br />Is their anything I could be doing wrong, as far as hooking up the muffs? My muffs only put in water on one side, I have used them on smaller outboards with no problems.<br /><br />Their is a small steady stream of water shooting out the side of the lower unit perpendicular to the outboard lower unit. Is this a sighn of anything or is this normal?<br /><br />I popped of the Tstat covers and pulled them to see if any water was getting up that high, nothing? Exhaust gases were coming out, is that normal.<br /> <br />Please help if possible, fishing season is a week away and I am getting worried.<br /><br />Thanks<br />Tony

 

[Silvertip]

Re: Running motor on muffs procedure, whats wrong?

Are you sure you have the muffs over the water intake?? You wouldn't be the first person to make that mistake.

 

[Daniel Beckman]

Re: Running motor on muffs procedure, whats wrong?

Im not sure but i think maybe 20 sec can be a little short time to get it to pee from tell tale.<br />When i hook up my 175 it take some time to get the water up there.<br />Try to run it a little longer at the same time put a hand on the engine and check that you dont overheat.<br />The stream from the lower unit is normal.

 

[jim dozier]

Re: Running motor on muffs procedure, whats wrong?

With a 130 you should be using the double sided muffs (water comes in both sides). It isn't going to overheat in 20 seconds. I would run a couple of minutes on a double sided muff to see what happens, just keep an eye on the temp.

 

[tonyscj5]

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If I was using the one sided muffs would it keep it from pumping any water through the tstats or tell tale? <br /><br />I am fairly sure I have the muffs over the intake. Small plastic black grill on each side right? Only place I can see.<br /><br />Thanks<br />Tony

 

[Cricket Too]

Re: Running motor on muffs procedure, whats wrong?

I use one sided muffs on my 200hp and it starts peeing water within 3 or 4 seconds of starting. Is the tell-tale on your motor in between the exhaust pressure releif or out the side of the lower pan? If it's in between the exhaust relief than it's probably a back flusher, which means you can just hook the hose up to that port to backflush the engine, DO NOT run the engine this way though, only run it with the muffs. Either way I would check to see of the tell-tale hole is clogged, if it comes out the lower pan than blow compressed air through it. If it's in between the pressure relief than take that plug out and see if the little hole is clogged. A water pump would have to be really shot to not put any water out of the tell-tale.

 

[Dhadley]

Re: Running motor on muffs procedure, whats wrong?

A looper will take a lot longer than 20 seconds to fill the cavity in the block. Make sure your hot horn works and let it run.

 

[tonyscj5]

Re: Running motor on muffs procedure, whats wrong?

dhadley, thanks for the help. I ended up taking the lower unit off and inspecting the h20 pump. looks fine. Anything I should look for? Should I replace it while it is open, or spend the cash on something more important?<br /><br />So how can I make sure their are no obstructions in the lines? Where can I blow water to clear it out? I was thinking through the lower tube running up, but that would push it into the motor? How can I shoot air back the other way?<br /><br />thanks for your help.<br /><br />Anything else I should check out while I have it apart?<br /><br />Tony

 

[angus63]

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If your 1995 is like mine (v6 175 hp), the telltale nozzle is secured by a retaining nut (about 1" or so). Remove that and the nozzle and you can thread a garden hose in there and backflush the system. Worked to clear my telltale!<br />Good luck<br />Edit: I see Mr Mcpeck already suggested this, I should read all the responses before posting. Sorry

 

[JC1933]

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Tonyscj5.<br /><br /> Hi read your thread, and i have the same motor, it takes a little while to pee about 10 to 15 seconds, your pee hose could be plugged this happened to me easy to unplug. Hope this helps alittle. have a nice evening. J,C,

 

[jason389]

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tony, I have an evinrude 70 and had same problem. Take the tail hose off (if that's how yours is set up) and blow through it backwards with an air hose...mine was plugged up. Also, do you have the water spigot all the way open? <br />-Jason389

 

[rodbolt]

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like Dhadley said<br /> its a lot of volume and that looper takes it tell tale water from the top of the block. takes a bit to fill all the block voids. mine will go 20-30 seconds even in the water. if ya dont belive it take the regulator off and look how big that cavity is.

 

[tonyscj5]

Re: Running motor on muffs procedure, whats wrong?

Okay now I am frusturated. I have taken off the lower unit multiple times, put in a new water pump, and still no freaking water. I pulled the tstats out and replaced them also while I was at it and they were dry as a bone on both sides. The water pump was wet, so I think it is getting water to there atleast. <br /><br />I pulled the old pump off and it looked fine, no damage to the impellar, but the little plastic key was MIA, I could have lost it when I pulled the motor off, or it could be gone. Anyway, new h20 pump, new tstats. I blew air up the copper water hose that runs up the outboard from the pump, and back through the tell tale out the other way. I could feel a slight bit of air coming out the tell tale when blowing air from the bottom but not a bunch?<br /><br />What is going on? Is the missing key lodged up in their somewhere? I am thinking about taking it in to the shop, as this is frusturating the **** out of me.<br /><br />thanks<br />Tony