Runs great with Choke!!!!

wmbishop

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Re: Runs great with Choke!!!!

Well I rebuilt the fuel pump today and checked the fuel tank for rust. The tank looked good but unfortunately I still have my problem. I was told the the problem could be bad reed valves. Does this make sense to anyone before I get start tearing into the valves? I'm ready to start fishing and stop messing with the motor. I appreciate any comments.<br /><br />Thanks, Will
 

Walker

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Re: Runs great with Choke!!!!

Doesn't sound like reeds to me, but if you want to look you can see them pretty good just by taking the carb off.
 

byacey

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Re: Runs great with Choke!!!!

Bad reeds usually show up as fuel being spit back out the mouth of the carb,and I doubt that it would idle with bad reeds.From everything said it sounds like the high speed jet or nozzle is partially plugged, assuming there is proper fuel level in the float bowl.
 

MCM

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Re: Runs great with Choke!!!!

As near as I can tell you don't have reed's, you have leaf valves. See diagram click here,
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Runs great with Choke!!!!

If the leaf valves were faulty, you would have fuel being spit out the front of the carburetor throat with every downward thrust of the piston. Obviously you do not have that problem.<br /><br />The fact that the engine picks up rpms and improves the performance when the choke is accuated indicates that you have overlooked something within the carburetor.<br /><br />Remove and dismantle the carburetor. Manually clean the fixed brass high speed jet that's located in the bottom center of the float chamber with a piece of single strand wire. Don't just assume it's clean because it may have been soaked in carburetor cleaner.<br /><br />There may be a small brass tube within the larger high speed nozzle. That smaller tube is supposed to be off center. Do not attempt to straighten it. Make sure that tube is also clean.<br /><br />When assembling the float chamber to the upper body, make sure that the small gasket is installed that surrounds the high speed nozzle tube.<br /><br />The throttle butterfly roller must be adjusted so that the butterfly just starts to open when the roller is aligned with the scribe marks on the cam. If the butterfly opens before aligning with those marks, the engine will die out.<br /><br />In gear (engine not running), throttle set to full throttle so that the vertical throttle arm is full against its stop, adjust the brass clevis set screw so that the rod has the butterfly perfectly horizontal to its full throttle position.<br /><br />(Carburetor Adjustment - Single S/S Adjustable Needle Valve)<br />(J. Reeves)<br /><br />Initial setting is: Slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.<br /> <br />Start engine and set the rpms to where it just stays running. In segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the S/S needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running.<br /> <br />Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting. <br /> <br />Note: As a final double check setting of the slow speed valve(s), if the engine has more than one carburetor, do not attempt to gradually adjust all of the valves/carburetors at the same time. Do one at a time until you hit the above response (die out or spit back), then go on to the next valve/carburetor. It may be necessary to back out "all" of the slow speed adjustable needle valves 1/8 turn before doing this final adjustment due to the fact that one of the valves might be initially set ever so slightly lean.<br /><br />When you have finished the above adjustment, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.<br /><br />Now..... what are you going to do the rest of the day? (grin)
 

Solittle

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Re: Runs great with Choke!!!!

When you have the carb apart give it a good shot of high pressure compressed air especially to the passages and crevices you can't see into. No rattle cans - take it to a shop that has a compressor if need be.
 

wmbishop

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Re: Runs great with Choke!!!!

Thanks for the input. That answered my question about the leaf valves. I won't go there yet. Joe, I ran a wire through the HS orifice, the slow speed tube, and the main fuel pickup tube when I had it apart, but you have convinced me to take the carb back off and double check. Maybe I was unlucky enough to have gotten some trash back in the carb. You also answered another question about the offset tube. I noticed it but slapped my hands off until I knew whether or not it was supposed to be that way. Glad I didn't! I have been out of town the last couple of days and just got in. This will be my weekend project. One thing of interest. I have a Seloc manual and according to the manual the carb I have did not come on this motor. The carb is in manual but it stated that it was only for larger motors. Not sure how accurate that info is. I didn't pay much attention to it because when I ordered the carb kit the store sent the right one so I assume the book was wrong. Thanks again for the info. I'll let you know how re-re-build goes.<br /><br />Thx, Will
 

dafox99

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Re: Runs great with Choke!!!!

Just to be the contrarian, If the re-rebuild doesn't help, try pulling a plug wire while running at high speed (or pull it before you take off if you can't get to it while screaming down the lake). Dropping a coil at high speed is pretty common .. it doesn't miss, just doesn't have much power. I know .. I know .. what about the choke thing .. it's gotta be fuel. I agree, but when we've gone through the fuel system for the umpteenth time, we might just try a simple ignition check. I'd sure hate to be dropping a plug under compression, and then it picks back up when the mixture richens. At least it's easy to try. Also, if the plugs aren't new, replace them. Cheap way to eliminate a variable. Good luck!
 
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