Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

[treedancer]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

I?ve always wanted to try and peel an onion.


I've never said you were but Mikes' post seemed to point that way, but now that I reread it I guess he is frustrated you defend the current dim wit Democrats. That doesn't frustrate me at all Mr. Tree, I enjoy debatin' you, n' I do find it surprizin' that you vote fer, (guess I don't know how you actually vote), n' defend Dems now that I've engaged you fer a while n' found you fairly thoughtful poster.

You just may like to debate people n' I usually hammer dim wit Dems n' Libs n' you jus' may feel obliged to resist the plain common sense facts logic n' history I spew, (don't think I've ever called you a Lib as like me Bro you are hard to pin down with all yer kitchen sink internet stuff you pull from here and there n' nearly everywhere).

Current Dems n' Libs do want to raise taxes, (at least they say that n' vote that way all the time), n' want us to suffer a humiliatin' defeat in Iraq (arty seems ta luv to have elected party members with criminal records, n' tolerate all sorts of immoral stuff I wouldn't tollerate in any elected official Right or Left. That said: I kinda like yer posts, although I rarely agree with them, but you even said you actually do agree with some of me carp, (musta been a weak moment I guess). Respectfully, JR ps, ya want me to model Rubber's booty shorts fer ya?

Its amazing what you can do with Bill Gates inventions isn?t it?

 

[ricksrster]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

Another Foreign policy strategy of this misadministration.

< MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's strategic bombers have resumed their Cold War practice of flying long-haul missions to areas patrolled by NATO and the United States, top generals said on Thursday.>

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL0982324620070809

First. The article states that the Russians have resumed this sort of activity because they now can afford it. No mention of defensive missiles in Europe.
Second. Who cares.
Three. Defensive weapons are to knock down the enemies offensive weapons. Defensive weapons are not, by design, to be offensive.
Fourth.You are giving President Bush the credit ( or the blame ) for a stronger Russian economy since Russia can now afford to resume its Air Force patrols of international airspace and play games with the American Air Force

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

I’ve always wanted to try and peel an onion.


I've never said you were but Mikes' post seemed to point that way, but now that I reread it I guess he is frustrated you defend the current dim wit Democrats. That doesn't frustrate me at all Mr. Tree, I enjoy debatin' you, n' I do find it surprizin' that you vote fer, (guess I don't know how you actually vote), n' defend Dems now that I've engaged you fer a while n' found you fairly thoughtful poster.

You just may like to debate people n' I usually hammer dim wit Dems n' Libs n' you jus' may feel obliged to resist the plain common sense facts logic n' history I spew, (don't think I've ever called you a Lib as like me Bro you are hard to pin down with all yer kitchen sink internet stuff you pull from here and there n' nearly everywhere).

Current Dems n' Libs do want to raise taxes, (at least they say that n' vote that way all the time), n' want us to suffer a humiliatin' defeat in Iraq (arty seems ta luv to have elected party members with criminal records, n' tolerate all sorts of immoral stuff I wouldn't tollerate in any elected official Right or Left. That said: I kinda like yer posts, although I rarely agree with them, but you even said you actually do agree with some of me carp, (musta been a weak moment I guess). Respectfully, JR ps, ya want me to model Rubber's booty shorts fer ya?

Its amazing what you can do with Bill Gates inventions isn’t it?

Yup, It's one of many reasons why you are difficult fer me to pin down. You clearly have far more 'puter skills then I do, n' I'm always 'spicious of internet carp that is easy fer some (like you Mr. Tree) to play with n' trick an old fart with one brain cell. JR

 

[12Footer]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

Gentlemen, Please! Has anyone seen examples of today's Russian "air force"?
How does it compare to ours, hmmmm?

It is as disfunctional as Cindy Sheehan, man. Like I'm supposed to lose sleep over the russian bear now? Reagan took care of them in the eighties. It's now nothing more than a cold war boogie man in the closet.

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

12'er my concern is that they are doing this so we start getting "used" to seeing them fly over. Then one day the bomb bay doors will open and the holocaust will begin.

Maybe my fears aren't valid but I have a right to be concerned.

 

[rolmops]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

It is my opinion that the Russians are worried about possible missile attacks from Argentina or maybe the Falkland Islands and in order to have early warning and possible anti missile capability they have to fly along the USA shores because that is the best place to take precautionary action against these Argentinian missiles.
I think that pretty soon they may wish to set up anti missile systems on Cuban soil so they can defend themselves and their friends against these Argentinian missiles...............

 

[rolmops]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

Now if you think that the above posted argument is any different from the Bush administration's argument for putting up anti missile bases next to Russia,think again.

 

[JB]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

Can anyone present a logical argument why the Poles and the Czechs shouldn't have defense systems if they want them? Does there have to be an immediate threat before you buy insurance?

The lib position, even from rolmops (a usually logical guy), seems to be that the USA is forcing these things down somebody's throat and that the mere existance of a defensive precaution is some sort of provocation. Provoking whom? Seems most likely to provoke a potential source of those missiles, that's whom. Could that be Russia? Who else in that part of the world has ICBMs ready to launch? Or, much worse, to possibly sell to Islamic extremists?

Now, if you were UBL or Iran and were thinking about buying black market ICBMs to vaporize infidels with what would happen to that market if it became unlikely that they would even reach central Europe? The guys trying to sell you that stuff would really be POed, just like the. . . . um. . . well, guess who. I don't really think Argentina gives a flip.

The notion that flying 40-50 year old, prop driven airplanes around the western Pacific (5000 miles from US shores) provides Russia with anything beyond some press coverage and wild speculation is good for a belly laugh.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

Well we could always surrender! We cannot win. All is lost. They are just so committed. President Bush is making them do this. We support the troops, but they are just a bunch of terroristic, murdering, torturing Nazi's. What a great party those dems are running.

 

[rolmops]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

Can anyone present a logical argument why the Poles and the Czechs shouldn't have defense systems if they want them? Does there have to be an immediate threat before you buy insurance?

The lib position, even from rolmops (a usually logical guy), seems to be that the USA is forcing these things down somebody's throat and that the mere existance of a defensive precaution is some sort of provocation. Provoking whom? Seems most likely to provoke a potential source of those missiles, that's whom. Could that be Russia? Who else in that part of the world has ICBMs ready to launch? Or, much worse, to possibly sell to Islamic extremists?

Now, if you were UBL or Iran and were thinking about buying black market ICBMs to vaporize infidels with what would happen to that market if it became unlikely that they would even reach central Europe? The guys trying to sell you that stuff would really be POed, just like the. . . . um. . . well, guess who. I don't really think Argentina gives a flip.

The notion that flying 40-50 year old, prop driven airplanes around the western Pacific (5000 miles from US shores) provides Russia with anything beyond some press coverage and wild speculation is good for a belly laugh.

JB,you amaze me.
The reasons why Poland and the Czech republic want the missile sites are twofold.For one, they can finally put one over on Russia and the other reason is that they are practically rolling over backward to cozy up to their new protector patron.
As for the American reasons for setting up missile systems, that have not even been proven to work,these are really the same old reasons as always used by certain industries that try to influence the republican conservative mindset.
Create an atmosphere of mistrust and fear and you are sure to earn gazillions of dollars by producing fancy hardware that hopefully never has to prove itself.
Many Russian decisions are made for the exact same reasons and the real bad part is that mister Putin is driven by the same motivation and he is doing the exact same thing for the exact same reason.
Let us just hope that someone somewhere will wake up and put an end to this nonsense.
As for my previous post.JB,I was hoping that you would see the ridicule in the examples I gave.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

JB,you amaze me.
The reasons why Poland and the Czech republic want the missile sites are twofold.For one, they can finally put one over on Russia and the other reason is that they are practically rolling over backward to cozy up to their new protector patron.
As for the American reasons for setting up missile systems, that have not even been proven to work,these are really the same old reasons as always used by certain industries that try to influence the republican conservative mindset.
Create an atmosphere of mistrust and fear and you are sure to earn gazillions of dollars by producing fancy hardware that hopefully never has to prove itself.
Many Russian decisions are made for the exact same reasons and the real bad part is that mister Putin is driven by the same motivation and he is doing the exact same thing for the exact same reason.
Let us just hope that someone somewhere will wake up and put an end to this nonsense.
As for my previous post.JB,I was hoping that you would see the ridicule in the examples I gave.

Boy Rolmops, yer a real skilled mind reader aren't ya? JR

 

[ricksrster]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=q9hj1bp3z0

 

[12Footer]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

12'er my concern is that they are doing this so we start getting "used" to seeing them fly over. Then one day the bomb bay doors will open and the holocaust will begin.

Maybe my fears aren't valid but I have a right to be concerned.

You sure do have a right to be concerned, and even a right to fear. As for them being valid fears, it doesn't matter (hence, my "boogie man in the closet" remark)... It's not that I don't fear them either, it's just that fear is tempered with reality.
Take a look around, WitF. Don't you think there are far more immediate threats to our national security? I'm not saying your concern is irrational. No doubt the commies will side with islamo fascists and socialists globally against freedom and democracy. It's only a natural attraction to them. And it's only one more ally for the axis of evil.
But I'm more concerned over their incompetance in weapons management. If history (Chernobyl, Kursk, K-19, suitcase nukes for sale) teaches us anything about the ruskies, it's that their own weaponry is so unreliable as to kill their delivery boys before they can carry-out a successful sortie, feigned or real! I predict there will be a "nuke hunt" like that of our B-52 off Greenland (or Iceland, or wherever that cold-arse place was)-- where we spent millions to recover crashed nuke bombs.... And that will be the end of their joy-riding! Tho in all honesty, I don't think the ruskies would go thru the effort we did in the event of an "accident". And THAT valid concern we share, man.

They operate junk that is sorely abused and not maintained. I fear Iran's top-notch, state-of-the-art weaponry -- That and an IED or sub-human bomb detonation at Daytona Speedway, FAR more than the Soviet's cold war relics and their threat of nuclear contamination. Not that I don't fear that. Just low on the list, and my debate with this issue is over the that PRIORITY of fear.
The Samalians take better care of their weaponry than the ruskies do.

 

[ricksrster]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

Because the Russians flew a sortie does not mean they are capable of waging a major war. It would be suicide.
Like any country they are building their defenses. It is to be expected.
They are much more vulnerable now days then they were in the past. They have their own terrorist garbage to deal with and they have China for a neighbor. Russia has a whole lot of oil under the dirt in the eastern part of the country they need to protect.
Don't read too much into what they are doing.

 

[rolmops]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

Boy Rolmops, yer a real skilled mind reader aren't ya? JR

Oh yes Murky.I am good at it.So good that I get paid to do it

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

Oh yes Murky.I am good at it.So good that I get paid to do it

I take it that is part of yer cornsulting business, (too make the kinda calls ya made in this thread)? JR

 

[rolmops]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

I take it that is part of yer cornsulting business, (too make the kinda calls ya made in this thread)? JR

Nope Murky,I am a civil servant

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

There's a commie under yer bed, lets blow up the house.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

Nope Murky,I am a civil servant

Hmmmmmm, VERY INTERESTING!! You are a perplexing person: Rolmops!! I bet you could teach ol' Murky some rather interesting things about the world based on yer lifes' experiences n' such, (not that I would agree with yer perspectives, but it would sure stimulate n' maybe overload the ol' brain cell fer some GREAT SPORT). That all said: VERY INTERESTING!! JR

 

[studlymandingo]

Re: Russian bomber jets resume Cold War sorties

Anybody figured out how to get off this planet yet???​