Saluting the White Flag

Plainsman

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By Bob Weir
[FONT=times new roman,times]From the time we're in grammar school, all the way through our adult lives we've been taught to take responsibility for our actions and not place blame on others for something we did. It's one of the essential elements of integrity. There was a time in our history when we could at least hope to look up to our elected officials and view them as statesmen, because they represented character traits we admired. Those traits and the courage to take a stand against evil would make us proud to follow them into battle. But today, we see many of them behaving like duplicitous children, pointing fingers at classmates and lying to the teacher about who threw the spitball. One of the most obnoxious traits is the willingness to conveniently forget what they supported in the past in order to gain political advantage in the present.


[FONT=times new roman,times]In 1998, Secretary of State, Madeline Albright said: [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]"Iraq is a long way from here, but what happens there matters a great deal here. For, the risk that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face and it is a threat against which we must and will stand firm." [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]President Clinton said action must be taken to stop the Iraqi dictator or, [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]"do we take some ambiguous route to give Saddam more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made?" [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]That same year, former Vermont Governor and current leader of the DNC, Howard Dean said: [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]"There are such things as international outlaws. I'm not sure China is, but I'm quite sure Iran and Iraq are." [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]Sandy Berger, the National Security Advisor under Clinton said, speaking of Saddam Hussein: [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]"Someday, he will surely rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and I?m certain he will use them as he has before."[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]California Democrat Congresswoman, and current Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi said in 2002: [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]"Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that." [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]West Virginia Democrat Senator Jay Rockefeller said: [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons." [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]Delaware Democrat Senator Joe Biden said: [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]"We know he continues to attempt to gain access to additional capability, including nuclear capability." [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]Nevada Democrat Senator, Harry Reid said: [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]"Saddam Hussein has, in effect, thumbed his nose at the world community and I think the president (Bush) is approaching this in the right fashion." [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]That same year on Meet the Press, New York Democrat Senator, Hillary Clinton was asked by host Tim Russert: [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]"Do you think we could have disarmament (in Iraq) without regime change?"[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times] Her answer: [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]"I doubt it! I can support the president (Bush), I can support an action (war) against Saddam Hussein because I think it's in the long term interests of our national security." [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]Former North Carolina Senator and current presidential candidate, Democrat, John Edwards said on MSNBC in 2003: [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]"Serving on the Intelligence Committee and seeing day after day and week after week the briefings on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction and his plans on using those weapons; he can not be allowed to have those weapons. It?s just that simple!" [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]Indiana Senator, Democrat Evan Bayh said on The O'Reilly Factor in 2003: [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]"Bill, I support the president's efforts to disarm Saddam Hussein. I think he (Bush) was right on in the speech he gave. The lessons we learned following September 11 were that we can't wait to be attacked again. Saddam has not done the right thing, so we're left with no alternative but to take action."[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]All of the above (and much more) was said by Democrats who voted to give President Bush the authority to invade Iraq. However, like irresponsible adolescents, they invent excuses for their behavior and look for a scapegoat. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]President Bush said: [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]"When I made the decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power, Congress approved it with strong, bi-partisan support. While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize my decision or the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began. As our troops fight a ruthless enemy, determined to destroy our way of life, they deserve to know that their elected leaders who voted to send them to war, continue to stand behind them." [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]Sadly, the only thing those Democrats would stand behind is a white flag. With a worldwide terrorist organization plotting our demise, electing one of those poltroons as Commander in Chief could literally become a fatal mistake. [/FONT]



I think he may be on to something here. More flippy -d- flopping seems to be the agenda of the left.


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Bigprairie1

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Re: Saluting the White Flag

That is without a doubt, the very best 'cherry picking' I've seen in....well about 1 day.
 

Plainsman

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Re: Saluting the White Flag

That is without a doubt, the very best 'cherry picking' I've seen in....well about 1 day.

What, you don't like facts? You'll fit right in with all the left wing sheeple here just fine then. ;)
 

QC

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Cherry picked or otherwise it absolutely identifies the attitude at the time a decision was made. And that happens to be the only time that matters. The current carp going on is no different than saying "I would have run the ball up the middle in that situation" on Monday. or "Why did he pitch to Jack Clark" . .. only worse as the same people said, "Yeah you should run a post pattern, or "yeah, pitch to him, we don't want to give him the base for free." All totally meaningless, with the benefit of hindsight. Totally 100% meaningless, ludicrous, disgraceful, politically expedient BS blah, blah, blah.

I simply do not understand how one would even attempt to hide from those quotes let alone get somebody to follow them and cheer their chickenship responses . . . Arrrrrrrrgggggg!!!!!!!
 

Bigprairie1

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.....I love it!! That is what debate is about.
It reminds of a quote by a famous statesman (don't ask me who)..who once said: "Greater and more things have more often come from those who don't agree...than those who do"
Bring it on...oh yeah.
Important note: I am not what you might call a 'liberal'...at least in the sense of references I see in previous forums.
 

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Look, you guys know better. Rule one, being a liberal means never having to say you are sorry or wrong. Rule two, do or say anything to uphold rule number one.

There are so many techniques. It is always good liberal form to question the intellegence of your rival. Reagan, Bush, Dole, Ford, the current Bush. All idiots. With this established constantly in the MSM you can now extend that stupidity to anyone who subscribes to their way of thinking. You can be dismissive, self rightous, deflective, arrogant, or discuss something unrelated. It doesn't matter, conservatives are all idiots, just watch, read, listen to the news to have this verified.

Actually addressing head on any issue is the most dangerous technique. You should never attempt this without the assistance of minions. The MSM, other liberals, heck even Ward Churchill in a pinch. One things for sure, you will never get a straight answer! Sure it makes for an interesting discussion, just not a very honest one. Oh, and what a dance it will be.....
 

Bigprairie1

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....great stuff!!!
Why the heck isn't everyone tuned to this station!!!!
 

POINTER94

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One things for sure, you will never get a straight answer!

Oh, and what a dance it will be.....

(Check out them moves :) This is as easy a predicting the sun will rise tommorrow. )
 

Haut Medoc

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Look, you guys know better. Rule one, being a liberal means never having to say you are sorry or wrong. Rule two, do or say anything to uphold rule number one.

There are so many techniques. It is always good liberal form to question the intellegence of your rival. Reagan, Bush, Dole, Ford, the current Bush. All idiots. With this established constantly in the MSM you can now extend that stupidity to anyone who subscribes to their way of thinking. You can be dismissive, self rightous, deflective, arrogant, or discuss something unrelated. It doesn't matter, conservatives are all idiots, just watch, read, listen to the news to have this verified.

Actually addressing head on any issue is the most dangerous technique. You should never attempt this without the assistance of minions. The MSM, other liberals, heck even Ward Churchill in a pinch. One things for sure, you will never get a straight answer! Sure it makes for an interesting discussion, just not a very honest one. Oh, and what a dance it will be.....

Very true, although Ronald Ray-Gun didn't lose it 'til near the end.....;)
 

Bigprairie1

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....HMedoc....maybe you should have seen some of his earlier footage....not the 'Bonzo and me' stuff tho'.
 

POINTER94

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Now a dance partner. (minion) Work together to avoid addressing anything. Two Step, Two Step....

What was this thread about?

One things for sure, you will never get a straight answer!
 

Kalifornyakid

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Lol,
I love it! At the risk of sounding like Murky, (not that thats a bad thing) Great stuff, Pointer.
 

sun_runner235

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Great hand picking of what democrats have said in the past. The only flaw is that's only what they said.....its not what they meant;)

What we need is a good old fashion caning in congress, John C Calhoun style.:D
 

waterinthefuel

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I've pointed out several quotes from libs who now don't support the war. I whip them out when a thread turns into "Bush lied, kids died."

Libs don't want to be reminded that they were for the war, before they were against it.

Damn, doesn't that sound familiar?
 

OldMercsRule

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Lol,
I love it! At the risk of sounding like Murky, (not that thats a bad thing) Great stuff, Pointer.

Yup he is spot on again. JR ps: great string of quotes Eric!

Then there is the ol' nagin' question: Is Liberalism a mental disorder?
 

rolmops

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Yup he is spot on again. JR ps: great string of quotes Eric!

Then there is the ol' nagin' question: Is Liberalism a mental disorder?

Oh yes, that nagging question:Is murky conservatism a form of Fascism or is it just a mental disorder?
I hope it is the latter.
 

OldMercsRule

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Oh yes, that nagging question:Is murky conservatism a form of Fascism or is it just a mental disorder?
I hope it is the latter.

Ya think a lil' of that "sweet smoke" that helps ya understand all this stuff could turn ol' Murky into a lil' butterfly Rolmops? :D:D
 
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