scared to death

Capt Joe

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Re: scared to death

I have manual front hubs, so I use 2WD low when backing the boat. Things happen a lot slower, & gives me time to rectify problems with directions. I take things VERY steadily to avoid excess torque on the axles. To avoid slipping on the way out I engage the hubs just before the boat is loaded. Because we get 7 metre (23 ft) tides our ramps are long and often have algae towards to bottom. The only time I (almost) had a problem was when my mate decided to pull up the ramp without securing the boat (even to the winch).
 

cajunhunter

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I also have an 05 Chevy Trailblazer I6 4X4 that I use for launching my boat. When my wife or 18 yo son is either backing the trailer down or pulling the trailer out, I put the the vehicle in Auto 4WD, that way any wheel slip that is encountered automatically engages 4wd. I have been launching boats for most of my life and have never (knock on wood) ended up in the "bathtub".

The worst vehicle I ever used to launch was a 1972 International Scout II inline 6 3 speed. The parking brake never worked so well, used to have to open the door and toss a 2X4 under the front wheel to keep it from rolling backwards. Even with engine off and in gear! Had a few whiteknuckle encounters with that one!:eek::eek:
 

96 Wellcraft

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Re: scared to death

Teach the man how to drive. :D He sounds like my wife and a friend. I can ease the boat out in a steep housing development ramp while barely touching the throttle. My wife and a friend have scared the Hell out of me pulling me out of the same ramp, while another friend pulled me out by just barely hitting the throttle. No drift back, no wheel spinning drama. Just treat the trip up the ramp just like a snow covered street start from a stop light or sign.
 

Bigjohn1

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Here?s a little something to chew on, 30 years ago nobody had or used 4WD to pull/launch boats. You have to remember there were plenty of Ford LTD?s, Chevy Cadillac?s, and Lincoln Towncars pulling boats and they did just fine. Yes, 4WD is an asset buts its necessity for pulling and launching a boat is
way over-rated.
 

mike176

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I use a 2wd and the only time the wheels spin is when i let my wife pull the boat out, I can go to the same ramp and have no truble. The trick is to go easy on the gas.
 

Matthew_B

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Just treat the trip up the ramp just like a snow covered street start from a stop light or sign.

Quite the opposite technique I use when I have the camper on the truck. I floorboard the throttle while holding the brake on. When I hear the turbo start to whine, I let the brake off and it climbs the ramp nice and smooth. With 8,000 lbs on the rear axle, it won't slip.

No camper onboard and I have to use your technique to keep from spinning the rear end.
 

Mr.Stuart

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my car (Jeep) is full time 4 wheel drive, never had a problem, never used 4-lo either, works good for me
 

Andy in NY

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Here?s a little something to chew on, 30 years ago nobody had or used 4WD to pull/launch boats. You have to remember there were plenty of Ford LTD?s, Chevy Cadillac?s, and Lincoln Towncars pulling boats and they did just fine. Yes, 4WD is an asset buts its necessity for pulling and launching a boat is
way over-rated.


a chevy cadillac, huh? ;)


as of now our tow vehicle is an s-10 with 4wd, but my worry is that i have never actually launched a boat myself. in the spring i plan to go visit my buddy in massachusetts and have him show me how he does his, but the 2 boats are a bit different. his is a 21' bayliner cuddy, mine a 14' MFG gypsy. but i guess its better than no practice!

i am also a bit nervous about backing with the trailer. i have a small utility dump cart for my tractor, and its pretty hard to back with it because of the short wheelbase. ive gotten pretty good at it... time to find a parking lot in the spring and practice a bit.
 

starcraft67

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A very interesting thread. My advice is, carry a couple of strips of old carpet, 8 or 10 feet long, if you frequent a ramp where traction can be bad. Put them in front of your drive wheels if that is necessary. Outdoor or boat carpet is good for this. A bag of sand or fine gravel, or even mulch or kitty litter, can come in handy also to sprinkle for traction. Oh, and keep a tow rope -- the next guy waiting will be only too glad to pull you out so he can use the ramp.

A little primer on traditional or part-time 4WD as in American pickups, for those who are unfamiliar: while the book says don't use 4WD on dry pavement, the evil that is sought to be prevented is that of causing windup in the drivetrain by going around turns (one wheel then revolves faster than the other, and because it is difficult for the tires to slip on dry pavement, the effect is to torque the drivetrain). Going in a straight line, and not very far, on dry pavement will not hurt the drivetrain. Indeed, going around a turn or two probably wouldn't do it any harm (although you'll hear it protesting), you just would not want to make a habit of it, just like you would not want to make a habit of shifting without the clutch.

Many trucks these days have automatic locking hubs in the front that engage or disengage the axle shafts to the front wheels with a set of dog gears when you shift in or out of 4WD. Others use manual hubs, although you see this less often anymore. You can drive around in two wheel drive with the front hubs locked in on a truck with manual hubs. The drivetrain to the front wheels is not powered because the transfer case is not engaged to 4WD, so what happens with the hubs locked is that the unpowered front wheels, turning as the truck moves, turn the axle shafts and the driveshaft back to the transfer case, where the driveshaft is not engaged. It cause a little drag to leave the hubs engaged like that, because you are turning the unpowered drivetrain back to the transfer case, but it doesn't hurt anything to do it. Thus, if I had a truck with manual hubs, I would lock in the hubs when I left the house on a snowy morning and go in and out of 4WD during the day as needed, and not bother with getting in and out to lock in the hubs.

More sophisticated part or full-time "all wheel drive" systems, such as are found on GMC pickups and as an option on Jeep wagons, and on many cars, use either a center differential or a viscous coupling to eliminate the problem of drivetrain windup, and so can be used on dry pavement.
 

jay_merrill

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Four wheel drives are great but you can usually get the job done with two wheel drive. One thing you sould do before launching at an unfamiliar ramp is to take a look at it first. If it is unusually slippery, steep, unpaved or has some other problem, it might be time to launch elsewhere. Sometimes,, however, there are ways to safely launch in places that aren't so great. One of my favorite fishing holes is in a place where the only launch ramp is unpaved and a little steep. It's not particularly slippery, so I'm not concerned about losing my vehicle in "the drink" but, it's hard to pull the boat out because the shell bed that the owner put down on it doesn't provide much traction. It all works out though because the guy is always around with his 4wd and a tow strap.
 

Nos4r2

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4wd Low ratio is OK on hard, dry surfaces if you only go a short distance in a straight line.-ie up and down a ramp in a straight line is fine. You're not supposed to allow the transmission to wind itself up. It makes it easier to reverse and far easier to recover-with a stick shift in 1st low range and the engine off, it'll hold better than the parking brake will hold it.


My 2.8 litre Isuzu Mu will pull 5 tonnes up a 1 in 5 hill at idle in low range 1st.
 

dirtyoldman

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4wd Low ratio is OK on hard, dry surfaces if you only go a short distance in a straight line.-ie up and down a ramp in a straight line is fine. You're not supposed to allow the transmission to wind itself up. It makes it easier to reverse and far easier to recover-with a stick shift in 1st low range and the engine off, it'll hold better than the parking brake will hold it.

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This is exactly right. I use 4hi, but back down in 2hi. I figure all I want to do is stop and 4wd won't help with that. Then, I put in park, 4hi, and set e brake. The wife usually pulls it out, and she knows to go in a straight line only to the top of the ramp, shift into 2hi, and then drive on. I've never had a wheel slip at all.
 

oops!

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Re: scared to death

whered this thread come from???

musta been workin in nov...

it all depends on the angle of the ramp, 2wd steep, wet, no weight, spin.

i got a 2wd diesil. really heavy in the front end. the only launch at my fave lake is 13 deg. (really steep) and busy. after i extend the hull this year and make it a 24 footer add another 500 lbs. i might not be able to use that lake till someone builds a better ramp:(

or just buy a 4wd:D
 

Nos4r2

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Re: scared to death

whered this thread come from???

musta been workin in nov...

it all depends on the angle of the ramp, 2wd steep, wet, no weight, spin.

i got a 2wd diesil. really heavy in the front end. the only launch at my fave lake is 13 deg. (really steep) and busy. after i extend the hull this year and make it a 24 footer add another 500 lbs. i might not be able to use that lake till someone builds a better ramp:(

or just buy a 4wd:D

Nah, just get a front towball for launching/retrieving. Reverse is always a lower gear than 1st and it's putting all the weight on the drive wheels.
 

dirtyoldman

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Nah, just get a front towball for launching/retrieving. Reverse is always a lower gear than 1st and it's putting all the weight on the drive wheels.

Uh..... He's RWD. The ball on the back end does put the weight on the drive axle.


Having a 2wd diesel and a 4wd diesel (both duallies), I think I would be terrified to use the 2wd one.
 

JB

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Big John says that 30 years ago nobody towed/launched witha 4X4.

Well, I must be nobody. I started with 4X4s in 1968. That was 40 years ago. 1968 Ford Bronco (the original), 289 V8 and (Hmmmmm. Don't remember if it was 4 on the floor or 3 on the tree).

Thirty years ago I was using a Jeep Wagoneer with the full time AWD.

I have used a few 2X4s in the meantime, but AWD, at least on the ramp, is by a long shot the way to go.
 
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