Sealant on manifold gasket?

boatgrunt

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Have a OMC 89 4.3 V6 and am finally putting the Mercruiser manifolds on tomorrow. I know the mating service between the block/gasket and exhaust manifold does not require sealant per my OMC manual, but do you put sealant on the gasket between the manifold and elbow? <br /><br /><br />Thanks
 

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Re: Sealant on manifold gasket?

You can use something called "Hi tack".It is an aerosol that sprays a very thin film.I find it to work great.The reason that some manifold companies state to not use any sealant is because it is too easy to use too much sealant and when you tighten everything down the sealant spreads and winds up in the water passages.This is exactly what a tech from Osco told me when I called to question it.Charlie
 

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Re: Sealant on manifold gasket?

Boatgrunt,<br />That is an outdated service bulletin that Don S. referred to..Merc recommends using Loctite 510 flange sealant on the manifold/riser joint.<br />It is an anerobic sealant that will only cure in the abscence of oxygen, and should be torqued within 20 minutes of application. It is very expensive, we pay about 37 bucks for a large tube, but it is available in a smaller portion for around 7 bucks or so..It has excellent gap-filling qualities and I have had absolutely no problems with flange and port deterioration since I started using it about 4 years or so ago..(I am a merc tech and was shop foreman for a Sea Ray dealership)<br />Regards,<br />markvictor<br /><br /> http://groups.google.com/group/badboatbiz
 

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Re: Sealant on manifold gasket?

My information came from the Service bulletin that was updated January of 2001, mind telling us where we can find the information about Merc recommending the Loctite 510?
 

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Re: Sealant on manifold gasket?

Important Information <br /><br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Mercruiser Service Bulletin No. 99-10 transcribed for web posting.<br /><br /><br />Exhaust Manifolds, Risers and Exhaust Elbows<br /><br />Models: All standard V6 and V8 gasoline engines with center outlet exhaust.<br /><br />New Sealant: P/N 92-804874 LOCTITE 510 Sealant - 250 mL Tube.<br /><br />Fastener Torque Change: 33 lb-ft. Use this new torque on all fasteners when<br />installing exhaust elbows or risers onto exhaust manifolds.<br /><br />Assembly: <br />1. Clean all gasket surfaces before reassembly.<br />2. Check the flatness of all gasket surfaces. Maximum overall is .003",<br />with not more than .001" difference within 1".<br /><br />NOTE: Maximum material that can be removed is .010" to true a gasket surface up.<br />When torquing the attaching bolts, make sure that they are not bottoming out in the<br />manifolds threaded hole.<br /><br />3. Look at the condition of the metal around the exhaust outlet casting. Inspect for<br />damaged metal caused by salt water or exhaust gas corrosion in the manifold, elbow<br />and riser (if equipped). Replace all damaged parts.<br /><br /><br />a - Inspect area around exhaust outlet <br /><br /><br />4. Check the fire ring gasket fit on the manifold gasket surface. Place a new gasket on the<br />surface. Thread 4 short 3/8"-16 bolts into the holes. Move the gasket fore and aft,<br />then side to side to make sure the gasket's fire ring has manifold surface under all 4 positions.<br /><br />NOTE: If the gasket's fire ring does not have a solid gasket surface in all 4 positions, the<br />manifold should be replaced.<br /><br /><br />a- Gasket's fire ring has manifold gasket surface under all 4 positions.<br />b- Manifold gasket surface.<br /><br /><br />a- gasket's fire ring does not have enough manifold gasket surface under it.<br />b- Manifold gasket surface.<br /><br /><br />5. There are 3 different types of fire ring gaskets.<br />P/N 27-860323 Gasket with 4 slots.<br />P/N 27-860233 Gasket-Restrictor with 2 holes and 2 slots. The 2 holes in the gasket always<br />go fore and aft.<br />P/N 27-860231 Gasket-Seperator without holes or slots. This gasket stops coolant flow.<br /><br />NOTE: The type of gasket used in certain locations has changed from what is shown in older service literature.<br /><br />1a. Raw water cooled engined with all the water from the thermostat houising going to the 90-degree fitting on the bottom of the exhaust manifold:<br />Use P/N 27-860232 Gasket between the exhaust manifold and the exhaust elbow.<br /><br />If the engine has 3" or 6" risres, use P/N 27-860232 Gasket between the riser and the exhaust manifold and exhaust elbow.<br /><br />1b. Raw water cooled engines with the bypass water forjm the thermostat housing going to<br />the fitting on the exhaust elbow and the warm water from the thermostat housing going to<br />the 90-degree fitting on the bottom of the exhaust manifold:<br /><br />Use P/N 27-860233 Restrictor Gasket between the exhaust manifold and the exhaust elbow.<br /><br />If the engine has 3" or 6" risers, use P/N 27-860233 Restrictor Gasket<br />between the riser and the exhaust elbow. Use P/N 27-860232 Gasket between the exhaust<br />manifold and the riser.<br /><br />2a. Closed cooled engines with the raw water from the heat exchanger going to the 90-degree fitting at the bottom of the manifold:<br /><br />Use P/N 27-860232 Gasket between the exhaust manifold and the exhaust elbow.<br /><br />If the engine has 3" or 6" rises, use P/N 27-860232 Gasket between the riser and the exhaust manifold and exhaust elbow.<br /><br />2b. Closed cooled engines with the exhaust manifolds closed cooled and the raw water<br />from the heat exchanger going to the fitting on the exhaust elbow:<br /><br />Use P/N 27-860231 Seperator Gasket between the exhaust manifold and the exhaust elbow.<br /><br />If the engine is has 3" or 6" risres, use P/N 27-860231 Seperator gasket <br />between the exhaust manifold and the riser. Use P/N 860232 Gasket between the<br />riser and the exhaust elbow.<br /><br />Important: The use of gasket or sealant other than the ones specified in this<br />bulletin are not recommended.<br /><br />6. Apply a 1/8" bead of LOCTITE 510 sealant P/N 92-804874 around all holes on <br />both sides of a new fire ring gasket.<br /><br /><br />a- Apply a 1/8" bead of LOCTITE 510 Sealant <br /><br /><br />7. Assemble parts and torque fasteners to 33 lb-ft.<br /><br />8. Allow sealant to cure for 2-3 hours before starting engine.<br /><br /><br />End of Bulletin<br /><br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 

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Re: Sealant on manifold gasket?

That's the OLD version. The one I posted the link to earlier is the correct one to use, not that one. Even the part numbers for the gaskets are the old ones, and not the graphite coated gaskets now in use. <br /><br />EDIT: This must be where you got it from. It's word for word what you posted.<br /><br /> http://www.outdrives.com/bulletin/exhbull01.html
 

boatgrunt

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Re: Sealant on manifold gasket?

Thanks guys. Sounds like the final verdict is dry? Can someone confirm? <br /><br />Don - if I bought the manifolds from Sierra, is it safe to assume that the gaskets that came with the manifolds were graphite coated and don't require sealant? <br /><br />Thanks
 

Don S

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Re: Sealant on manifold gasket?

I have no idea what type gaskets Sierra has or what they recommend. And if I was you, I wouldn't assume they are the same.<br />When you ask <br />"am finally putting the Mercruiser manifolds on tomorrow."<br />I assumed you had Mercruiser manifolds and risers and that was wrong too. Assuming never works.
 

boatgrunt

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Re: Sealant on manifold gasket?

Sorry about that Don. From what the dealer told me, they were Sierra parts made for Mercruiser engines that could also be converted to be used on my 89 OMC setup.
 

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Re: Sealant on manifold gasket?

Nice to see the service bulletins. You can search back pretty far. Now....how about outboards!!!
 
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