Septic tanks

CheapboatKev

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Being a transplant from SoCal to Florida, I have no experience w/septic tanks. Ya flush n forget...
So my question is, do ya hafta have a truck come out and drain it once a year, every couple years?

I add the stuff every month or so that is spose to break up enzymes..but don't know much other than that..

New home, 2 bath, 4 people. Dont have make or serial #'s of the toilets, lol..
 

Bass Man Bruce

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Re: Septic tanks

They say to pump them once a year.
We've had ours 26 years and have never pumped it once. (two baths 4 people)
Hope I didn't just put on a jinx!:eek::D
 

angus63

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Re: Septic tanks

Maintenance of septic systems varies by region, climate, soil, load (no pun intended), water quality, water table, etc.... I think your best bet is inquire with neighbors who are settled with similar conditions. Good luck
 

Tyme2fish

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Re: Septic tanks

Except for toilet tissue, if it didn't pass through your body it shouldn't be flushed into the septic.:redface:

You didn't mention if any females are involved but I'm sure that is the case. Any "hygeine" products should be disposed of in the trash.
 

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Re: Septic tanks

Do you have a food disposal? That adds to the need to pump out your system. Also, the use of Charmin toilet paper will add to your need to pump it out ... that stuff is the worst for biodegradibility. Scott tissue is one of the better ones for degrading fast and keeping your septic clean. Since you are using something in your system, that can be good ... compaction is the worst thing to happen to your system. The sludge on the bottom will get hard after several years and you will not be able to pump it out. However, if you maintain it, don't put food scraps, don't use Charmin, and keep the personal hygiene stuff from going down the drain, you should be okay for years.

Oh, and the stuff you buy for septic systems is not much different than yeast. Yeast is cheaper and will work just as well.

And avoid large doses of bleach ... it will kill all the enzymes that are eating your "stuff" and you have to start all over again.
 

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Re: Septic tanks

you need to ask what system you have, in FL, due to the high moisture count in some soil, and clay in others, there are 2 basic type systems. first is the common single tank system, the waste comes in settles and deteriorates, and the water by gravity goes out the other end of the tank into a drain field.

doe to down stream pollutions, there is a second type... it is the first type, but that tank water drains into another smaller tank, that has a sump pump in it, that lifts the waste water into a raised drain field, some of the raised fields are unnoticeable, some are outright ugly hills in peoples yards.

we have live in houses for over 20 years, and never had a problem with a septic system

the sump pumps usually have a live span of 1 to 3 years, then have to be replaced. that is when you have the tank pumped. i have replace many pumps my self over the years.
 

NoKlu

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Re: Septic tanks

I used to work for a guy that made and installed his own tanks. His secret was to put a whole chicken in the tank, feathers and all. He had a freezer full of them and would throw one in every time we did an install. He claimed the chickens worked better than any of the commercial mixes he used.
 

eaglejim

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It will let you know when it needs to be pumped out (the smell) imagine a large tank(concrete) with a plastic black pipe or 2 coming out of the bottom when that tank fills up it is time to call the septic man, my sister been in her house 23 years and last week had to get hers pumped out she can't smell so her neighbor had to come tell her about it:eek:
 

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Re: Septic tanks

All good input so far- especially about what belongs in a tank and what does not. I'll second the toilet paper selection. What gets me is when they advertise it as the strongest. If you have sewer, that might be desireable but for septic, it's the last thing you want.

Some municipalities govern the pump out regimen. Around here, you're supposed to have it done every two years, max.

One of the biggest reasons to do it regularly is so the inlet and outlet baffles can be inspected. The outlet baffle usually fails first due to the buildup of septic gases right at that point. I bought a house with a failed outlet baffle and the result wasn't a fun experience. The entire outlet pipe was plugged up to the distribution box. Fortunately, the drain field was OK.

No matter what you do, sludge will build up in the tank over time and it must be pumped out. Rather than type all this out, just do a search on septic maintenance and read about the different designs and their proper care.
 

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Re: Septic tanks

I add the stuff every month or so that is spose to break up enzymes..but don't know much other than that..

If you are referring to using Rid-Ex, or similar product, they can cause more problems than cure.

Septic tanks generally do a pretty good job of taking care of themselves, provided, they get only waste items that they were intended for. Excess food scraps, paper towels, etc., can cause problems.
 

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I would talk to your neighbors about who they used. They might also know who the prior homeowner used. Call the septic cleaner and talk to him/her about a pumping schedule, what should and what should not be flushed/added, and discuss general maintenance issues.

Our guy at the lake house will look up when last pumped and let me know if I need his service. But then, I have a man hole cover and it is real easy to lift the lid and take a look.

I believe they really earned their $$.
 

willieboy

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Re: Septic tanks

First my story. I moved into a 23 year old house that on the surface looked like a good deal. It had some interior things that needed to be taken care of, a bathroom that desperately needed remodeling, but nothing we could not handle. The best part, it is 2 acres, 1500 sq ft. house, and it is less than a mile to the boat launch. We lived there 3 months when our porblems started. By the end of 1 year, we had invested 8.0K into our septic system. That included an attempt to revive a failing drainfield (1.3K) several emergency pumpouts (Thanksgiving, X-Mas etc...) during a rather wet winter, and a full drainfield replacement and upgrade to an LPD system (low pressure dosing). As a guy that has lived with the goods and bads, I will give you my experience and advice.

The previous owner of our house was one of the people that never pumped. 23 years of never pumping was a bad deal. The tank was full to the top, and as such, the system was not treating the waste in the tank. Instead it was allowing nontreated effluent to enter the drainfield. This completely clogged the drainfield/field lines in a way that was not repairable. On top of that, our roof was draining down onto the septic drainfield, flooding it and rendering it useless.

A couple of items we need to know to really help you.

1. Type of system: The two mentioned above are both variations of conventional anaerobic systems. The first is a gravity system and the second is a Low pressure dosing system. We now have the second system. More commonly built these days are the aerobic systems. These are much more complex, much more expensive to maintain, and often are heavily regulated by your county health departments. Lots of moving parts as compared to a conventional system.

2. Soil type: Are you mostly sandy, sandy loam, sandy loam with clay underneath, loose pack soil with rock underneath, etc... This is probably the most important thing to know when it comes to how to live with a septic system.

Even without knowing the answers, there are some general rules that apply to all the systems. Septic systems have to be maintained. The 6-10K bill for replacement is huge, and most often comes at the most inconvenient times (X-mas with your relatives, etc...). Schedule, etc... really depends on usage. I am not sure what the rules are in florida, but in TX, it is all regulated by the county.

1. If you have a garbage disposer, get rid of it. Septic tanks/drain fields are not made to take large non-digested particulate.

2. Dishwashers and washing machines use a lot of water, and as such can flood drainfields if used excessively. In my county in Texas, we can use the washing machine waste water, untreated, to water a garden, our foundations, or the yard, and as such we do so. It takes the addtional water out of the septic system, which lets the anaerobes do there thing, keeping "untreated" effluent from entering the drainfield. If you have to use a washing machine on your system, be sure to do laundry throughout the week instead of all in one day or two. Spreading the loads out will really help. Also, make sure you select the right kind of detergent. Anything biodegradable will be fine, anything else may be toxic to the critters in the tank.

3. Maintain your plumbing. Again, excess water is really hard on the entire system. Once every few months, put a drop or two of food coloring in the toilet tanks. Do not flush the toilet. Go back and check the toilet bowl in 20-30 minutes. If you see color in the bowl, it is time to replace the flapper in the toilet tank. Un-diagnosed Leaky toilets are the leading cause of septic heartache according to the guy that pumps our system.

4. Pump the settlement tank once a year. Hear it is 30-45 cents a gallon. Pretty cheap insurance in truth. When they pump it after the first year, make a note of the sludge level. If it is fairly low, you will then be able to understand how long you can go till you pump again. For us, we can go 5 years, but our house is now a lake house and is only used on the weekends. When we lived there full time, we pumped every two years.

5. Take head to the toilet paper, sanitary products, etc... mentioned above. The less you put into the tank, the happier you will be. My ladies (families lake house) refuse to dispose of their products in the trash. My septic guy said it was fine, as long as we pumped regularly, and we were mindful of how much water we used (to be sure we were not flooding the system.

6. Grease: You may have dumped grease down the drain in the past. No more. Collect it and throw it in your regular trash. Grease floats to the top of the tank, goes directly to the drainfield untreated, and will clog the system.

7. Chemicals: Be very mindful of what you put down the drain. If you would not eat it, or put it on your skin, do not dump it into your system. Common items people do not think about: Water based paint, ammonia cleaner, bleach cleaners, iodine cleaners, peroxide cleaners.

8. Drainfield maintainence: If you don't know where your drainfield is, figure it out. It is that important. Trees and shrubs should not be in the drianfield. Root infiltration is also a big problem, as tree roots can break and/or plug your field lines. Grass: If you can, maintain a healthy lawn over the field. You will not really need any fertilizer to do so. But, you will likely have to overseed the lawn in the winter time with a rye grass. Maintaining a healthy lawn helps remove water from the drainfield faster. It also gives you the ability to see problems before they are fixable. If you have water grass growing in your drainfield, you know there is a lot of standing water, even if is under the surface, and that indicates a system that is not draining well. Water grass is really easy to spot, as it grows in fairly large patches, and does not look like regular grass. It also grows about 3 inches a day (or so it seemed to me). Also, surface drainage: make sure that rain water, etc... drains away from the drainfield efficiently. Ground water flooding is what finally killed our system.

In truth, living with septic is not a hard thing to do, you just have to maintain the system. I know people that have 35 year old systems that have no problems, and I have known people with 3-7 year old systems that are already plugged and need to be replaced. Do the maintainence and you will be assured of no issues.
 

CheapboatKev

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Re: Septic tanks

This area is all new construction, the whole building boom that went on the last 2 years..So no previous owners or history, and sad thing, neighbors are pretty scarce..some have packed up and left overnight...but thats a whole nother topic...
 

mthieme

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It will let you know when it needs to be pumped out (the smell) imagine a large tank(concrete) with a plastic black pipe or 2 coming out of the bottom when that tank fills up it is time to call the septic man, my sister been in her house 23 years and last week had to get hers pumped out she can't smell so her neighbor had to come tell her about it:eek:

That could be an indication that the drain field is clogged.

I pump mine out about every 4 years or so. I have a relatively new one so I'm still getting the hang of how it behaves. I put yeast down the head once a month or so. I also watch the cleaning products I use - enzymes - no phosphates.
 

roscoe

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Re: Septic tanks

In my county in Texas, we can use the washing machine waste water, untreated, to water a garden, our foundations, or



Why would you water your foundation?

me puzzled ??
 

NoKlu

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Possibly hoping to grow a second story???:D
 

OldePharte

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Why would you water your foundation?

me puzzled ??

Can't speak for Willieboy, but here in eastern Kansas we have to worry about expansive soils - clay. If the ground gets too dry, it will pull back from the foundation walls. If it gets really dry, you could put your hand down in the cracks. Should we get a heavy rain, the soil can swell and crack basement walls. So, when we have a lack of rain, we make sure that we water up to the foundation when watering the lawn and/or bushes.
 

ebry710

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I pump once every 4-5 years. Make sure you put inspection cap on both the gray and the black water openings. Put markers on leech fields and transfer boxes. Do not plant trees or big bushes near leech field or transfer boxes, because roots play hell with system.

Find a good pumper. If they are good, they will answer any local questions. This is their business and your a future repeat customer.
 

Barnacle_Bill

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Here in SE Va the health department sends me a notice every 5 years reminding me its time to have the tank pumped. In a properly working system you do not need any of those miracle additives. I had to have my field replaced last year. It was about 30 years old which is average for this area.
 
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