Shop jerk

xp150

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I took my boat to the shop to have Carbs rebuilt <br />while they had it they checked compression and came up with the following.<br /> 1 65<br /> 2 70<br /> 3 75<br /> 4 75<br /> 5 80<br /> 6 75<br /><br /> The problem is I checked them before and after I took it to them and all my readings were 92 to 94psi. After I rechecked at home I called him back to ask how we could be so different? He said "what do you want me to do but a new gauge<br />the gauges don't read the same" I tried to explain<br />they may not be the same but they should not vary.<br />I said if the carbs are right you will not be bothered with me again but they better be right.<br />If not I'll bring it back. He says are you threating me? What a jerk . Should I have comp. checked by someone else??
 

Dhadley

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Re: Shop jerk

Take it easy! Check it again with your gauge. Different gauges vary. Even from the same manufacturer. I had a Snap-On gauge that would not read over 145 even though the gauge went to something like 200. <br /><br />It even depends on how they do it. I watched a guy do it one time that only let the motor turn over a couple of times and the readings were all over the board. <br /><br />Try it cold and then hot. I still think you are OK. <br /><br />Good luck!
 

xp150

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Re: Shop jerk

I warmed the engine when I got home and checked it and it was still 92 to 94 psi.(same as when I bought the boat) if he had read 60 to 62 I would say different gauges but he varied 15 psi. I don't guess it matters I got what I got but if he don't know how to check comp. I don't need to deal with him. Or is there a reason we can not get the same reading?
 

xp150

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Re: Shop jerk

Also This motor sit for a long time ( not even crank for 3yrs)and the gut bought it new in 1989<br />ran it about 6 times and then quite fishing. so it has not been used much so I have been keeping <br />an eye on the compression to try to be sure I did not have a stuck ring. Now I don't know who is right. Should I decarb it ??
 

Pro Crappie Guide

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Re: Shop jerk

I don't know what shop you brought your rig to, but I suggest you never bring it back there.<br /><br />If a compression checker varies by 15 psi then something is wrong somewhere.<br /><br />If your compression checks the same cold and hot, then I would not worry about the mechanics inaccurate tools.<br /><br />Frankly, his attitude towards the guy that pays his bills, being you, the customer, shows he has little patients and poor customer service skills.<br /><br />Who knows what kind of mechanical work he puts out, but doubtful it is much better.<br /><br />Anyone that wants to argue that is either no better or has little to no expectation of what is suppose to be a certified mechanic.<br /><br />PCG
 

b.gagnon

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Re: Shop jerk

Dry meaning no oil in the cylinder. They may have checked it with no fuel hooked up. A shop should know better than to keep cranking a motor dry but this is not always the case. If the motor runs then try the decarb it won’t hurt. Why did you get the carbs rebuilt?
 

xp150

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Re: Shop jerk

I had the carbs rebuilt because it loaded up at idle and I was also afraid it was leaning out too much on top end after running a few miles down the river I pulled the plugs and they looked lean.I'm going to run in the morning I hope he can rebuild carbs better than he can read a gauge.
 

Skinnywater

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Re: Shop jerk

There is still the chance his guages are more accurate then yours. If he can rebuild your carbs you can best bet he can read gauges better then you.
 

Forktail

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Re: Shop jerk

Usually compression is checked after the engine has been brought to normal operating temperature. He may not have done this.<br /><br />Next, and prior to checking the first cylinder, all the spark plugs should be removed. He may not have done this.<br /><br />When checking compression the throttle should be in the wide open position. He may not have done this. In fact he may have checked the compression after the carbs were removed?<br /><br />It's usually ok to do a dry compression test, unless you are cranking for ungodly long times. There should be enough residual oil in the engine to give accurate results, especially if you just ran it up to normal temps.<br /><br />The engine must be cranked fast enough and long enough until the gauge shows no further rise in pressure. This takes a good battery...or fast pulling. Normally the first compression stroke will run the gauge indicator needle a considerable distance up the scale. Succeeding strokes will raise it more until the highest level is shown.<br /><br />My rule of thumb is that the variance should not be between 10-15 lbs. The mechanic's readings are border-line...if they are true.<br /><br />Watch the action of the gauge. If it rises only a small amount on the first stroke and a little more on each succeeding stroke to a moderate reading, you may have stuck or worn rings. If two adjacent cylinders are low you may have a bad head gasket or warped head.<br /><br />If you get a low reading in one cylinder, add a teaspoon of oil to that cylinder and crank a few extra strokes. If the compression goes up a considerable amount you have worn rings. If it doesn't go up you have intake/exhaust problems, a broken piston, or blown gaskets.<br /><br />With only 6 hours, the engine is probably barely broken-in. And sitting 3 years is nothing if it was properly put away. Regardless, your mechanics numbers seem low. <br /><br />Do your own test with good equipment. Then you know what you have. :) <br /><br />By the way, there's nothing wrong with telling a mechanic that if he didn't do the job right, he's going to see you again. If he takes that as a threat, then he has little confidence in his work.
 

xp150

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Re: Shop jerk

Thanks for al the replies. I ran the boat today<br />and it ran fine. I have checked the comp. hot and cold with same readings.I have been checking it just as you said forktail and always the same reading.Well Skinnnywater all of my experience thru the years has been with dirt bikes not outboards but I can rebuild carbs and read gauges I think that is why he got so mad because he could not jerk my chain. <br />If I had it to do over I would do it myself.
 

Skinnywater

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Re: Shop jerk

I think it's amazing to have only a 2psi difference between 6 holes by your guage.<br />It would still be interesting to check the compression with a third guage. <br />But then you'll get different numbers again.<br /><br />I'm glad he knew what he was doing, in spite of having a bad day.
 

xp150

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Re: Shop jerk

Well Skinnywater I think you have a good idea,<br />if I get time this weekend I'll but a new gauge<br />and see what I get. I will post the results. You<br />think it's "amazing" I only get 2psi difference<br />but this motor has got very few hrs on it.If my gauge was screwed up the I would be getting the 15psi variation. I may be wrong, I'll try to get another gauge and check it. Thanks for the replys
 

Backlash

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Re: Shop jerk

Hey XP,<br />Not at all amazing to have little or no variance between the cylinders. ;) <br />Backlash
 

xp150

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Well I bought a new gage and checked the compression again this morning with engine cold(not run in 3 days)It was still between 89 and 91.<br />I do not know why it is low. I know the guy I bought it from and the motor has not been run more than 30 hrs. But it is what it is,at least it is not 15psi different like the mechanic said. Thanks for the replies.
 

letsbarbq

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Re: Shop jerk

xp150,<br /><br />I had the exact same problem like you. The motor was bought in 89. ran fishing for the first 3-6 years and it had sat and not been cranked in the last 3 years. I first checked the compression and it was low. I think 94-96 psi in all 6 holes. I did the water pump thing, rebuilt carbs, new gas. It ran fine but I wanted and knew it would run better. I knew what I had to do.<br /><br />Decarb !<br /><br />warm up your engine on the water hose. spray the whole can in while you are idling. if does not matter if you rev it up higher or leave it idling. Then let it soak for 15 mins. goto the river and run the crap out of it and it will blow all the junk caoted inside your engine out just like if you had a stuffy nose and was blowing your nose.<br /><br />I wanted to see how bad my engine was so i started it on the garden hose and I revved it hard and the black junk that came out of the exhaust bad. it made my grass area behind the prop all back and oily. I knew it was working. Alot of people just run it on the hose until it is clean. Its up to you. I took it to the river and ran the crap out of it. But before I took it to the river, I took out the plugs and noted how bad they were dirty and I cleaned them with a wire brush really quick then took it to the river and ran the **** out of it. Then I came home and put in new plugs. I have seen a lot of people get by without replacing the plugs. And that is also up to you. I figure 2 bucks a pop will not be a expensive investment considering the engine will only run and perform better.<br /><br />let me know if the decarb raise the psi. It raised mine considerably. Also, my guage was giving me a different reading than what a mechanic told me as well but I paid him no attention because I knew what I had gotten. Good luck.
 

clanton

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Re: Shop jerk

They all say, the engine only has 20/30 hours. I would bypass the VRO run 50/1 mix, install the maintenance valve in the primer and decarb.
 
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