Short sighted liberals...

[Haut Medoc]

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Ol' Murky says:
WHY NOT $70.00 per hour or $700.00 per hour? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM??
A small increment can be absorbed.....
100 fold or 1,000 fold is not a small increment.....
Having a minimum wage is not the government telling you how to run your business......
BTW, Murky, don't you have some garbage to take out?d

 

[technostingray]

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Now what did I do with that eating popcorn Emoticon I stole from Tom?

 

[JB]

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Sometimes I wonder why this board gets so caustic at times.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Ol' Murky says:
WHY NOT $70.00 per hour or $700.00 per hour? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM??
A small increment can be absorbed.....
100 fold or 1,000 fold is not a small increment.....
Having a minimum wage is not the government telling you how to run your business......
BTW, Murky, don't you have some garbage to take out?d

OH, I see Bro Haut, Ol' Murky get's Cornfusted from time ta time: So Sorry. So if the Government tells me how much ta pay for labor it's not telling me how ta run my business, eh? Cost o' labor isn't important n' all in business right: Bro? N' only if it's a li'l adjustment n' all? Hmmmmm. That slipery slope stuff Bro? Ya tryin' ta tell me a 25% plus adjustment isn't goin' ta have some impact on things? Hmmmmm. 'course ya know your god: (Government o' the State o' Washington), already was way ahead n' all 'cause o' followers o' your religion out here, right Bro Haut? Hmmmm. Could ya straighten ol' Murky out so I could understand these heavy corncepts like minimum wage, eh: Bro? JR

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Sometimes I wonder why this board gets so caustic at times.

Hey JB, I know politics is hard ball. I do my very best ta keep the discussion about ideas, not personal, (but I'm not perfect). I really like this board but maybe I'm a little too blunt for the folks here. Respectfully JR

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Ya tryin' ta tell me a 25% plus adjustment isn't goin' ta have some impact on things?
Doesn't Washington have the highest minimum wage in the country?
Sorry, if I can't stick around to debate 'cuz I'm outside doing yard work....
(I came in to cool off & get a refreshing beverage....
It's awful warm & sunny outside, & I was starting to sweat.......8)
Shame is, I used to be able to afford to have someone else do it, but since the minimum wage went up, I can't afford it...*SNIFF* :')
d

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Ya tryin' ta tell me a 25% plus adjustment isn't goin' ta have some impact on things?
Doesn't Washington have the highest minimum wage in the country?
Sorry, if I can't stick around to debate 'cuz I'm outside doing yard work....
(I came in to cool off & get a refreshing beverage....
It's awful warm & sunny outside, & I was starting to sweat.......8)
Shame is, I used to be able to afford to have someone else do it, but since the minimum wage went up, I can't afford it...*SNIFF* :')
d

Read the rest o' the post: Bro. Your buds here are way ahead, (as I already stated). Guess ya could argue that 'cause it doesn't effect you n' I 'cause we are already under the thumb o' your Religion here in Gods' country it doesn't matter, eh Bro? Can ya 'splain ta your slow Brother why settin' minimum wages for business isn't tellin' us how ta run our business for us: Bro? Don't want ta stress out the only brain cell tryin' ta understand your Liberal corncept n' all. JR

 

[i386]

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I have remained somewhat quiet on this matter. I don't believe that it is the governments job to dictate what wages should be.

I'm all for the government staying out of a lot of stuff. However, the conservative ideology dictates that business is business regardless of who gets screwed. If business were more resposible the gubment wouldn't have to stick its nose in to a lot of things.

If you're going to have a minimum it needs to be fair and adjusted for inflation. That doesn't mean I think people flipping burgers should make 30K/year mandated by the gubment. If not, drop it all together and let the free market sort it out (if such a thing exists).

 

[JasonJ]

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Who here that owns a business even pays minimum wage? I have a number of friends who own business that feel paying minimum wage would make them look like crap. One owns a hardware store, one owns a vetrinary hospital, one owns an insurance agency, and of course my boss/friend that owns the pest control/landscaping company. The one lesson they all learned is if you pay crap wages, you get crap workers. Even the teens who clean crap out of kennels get more than min wage.

They could care less about min wage hikes, it doesn't affect them. They also are not hung up on Big Guvment tellin' them how to run their business. Hate to inform you, you are being told how to run your business anyway. Employment law, equal opportunity, American disabilities Act, OSHA, the list goes on. How on earth could you care about a min wage hike when you know damn well all it takes to hurt your business is a couple of workmans comp cases that drive you costs up. Its like crying that your car is out of gas while the thing is on fire. Makes no sense, your just crying to be crying. You want to really bring costs down, do something about the broken health insurance industry in this country. Bet you pay more for that than min wage. Or let me guess, you don't offer benefits, for fear it will cut into your vacation fund.

Employers always forget the one rule of thumb, they need the employees just as much as the employees need them.

All minimum wage is is a stopgap between unscrupulous business and employees. Not hard to understand.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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I have remained somewhat quiet on this matter. I don't believe that it is the governments job to dictate what wages should be.

I'm all for the government staying out of a lot of stuff. OH Really? However, the conservative ideology dictates that business is business regardless of who gets screwed. Who said that i386? If business were more resposible the gubment wouldn't have to stick its nose in to a lot of things. OH I get it, business is NOT RESPONSIBLE, so the god o' the Libs has ta tell us how ta do it right i386?

If you're going to have a minimum it needs to be fair and adjusted for inflation. NOW THAT's REAL HEAVY! The government creates inflation, n' we need to index it to inflation. Hmmmmm. Kool aid anyone? That doesn't mean I think people flipping burgers should make 30K/year mandated by the gubment. Why not i386? CRITICAL THINKIN': i386? WHY NOT? Stresses this single brain cell real bad ta understand your point here! If not, drop it all together and let the free market sort it out (if such a thing exists).

Now there you're talkin': i386!

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Fuzzy Wuzzy. Someone is doin' some serious mind readin' here, (tellin me how I run my business with out even knowin' one thing 'bout it)! Even though it is only one cell, ('cordin' ta Bro Haut), ya haven't got a clue, so ya otta stop while you're ahead! This is 'bout Religion not economics.

 

[i386]

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I have remained somewhat quiet on this matter. I don't believe that it is the governments job to dictate what wages should be.

I'm all for the government staying out of a lot of stuff. OH Really? However, the conservative ideology dictates that business is business regardless of who gets screwed. Who said that i386? If business were more resposible the gubment wouldn't have to stick its nose in to a lot of things. OH I get it, business is NOT RESPONSIBLE, so the god o' the Libs has ta tell us how ta do it right i386?

If you're going to have a minimum it needs to be fair and adjusted for inflation. NOW THAT's REAL HEAVY! The government creates inflation, n' we need to index it to inflation. Hmmmmm. Kool aid anyone? That doesn't mean I think people flipping burgers should make 30K/year mandated by the gubment. Why not i386? CRITICAL THINKIN': i386? WHY NOT? Stresses this single brain cell real bad ta understand your point here! If not, drop it all together and let the free market sort it out (if such a thing exists).

Now there you're talkin': i386!

Yea really.

I said it. Conservative fathead radio makes a living telling his drones what their opponents think every day. I think I can say it for free every once in a while.

In your opinion, who should make businesses act responsibly when they cross the line?

Yep, heavy. deal with it.

Anybody with half a brain knows flipping burgers isn't a 30K/yr. job. Why are you asking me? hmm


Burr under your saddle? Think I put it there?

 

[OldMercsRule]

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i386 states:

Yea really.

I said it. Conservative fathead radio makes a living telling his drones what their opponents think every day. OH a li'l mind readin'? Hmmmmm. I think I can say it for free every once in a while. Yah sure ya betsha: free speech n' all

In your opinion, who should make businesses act responsibly when they cross the line?

Need a li'l help here i386. Ya need ta define "the LINE" here for me.

Yep, heavy. deal with it. Nah, I jus' live here: i386.

Anybody with half a brain knows flipping burgers isn't a 30K/yr. job. Bro Haut thinks ol' Murky has only one brain cell. So since I have less then half o' brain what do I do? Why are you asking me? hmm You had all the answers and started this thread, 'bout your Religion: not me.

Burr under your saddle? Think I put it there?[/quote]
No: no burr here. Jus' discussin' n' debatin' n' all.

Now the serious stuff:
I'm sorry to get personal: i386. I really did not mean to. You did not do it, you just started a real interesting thread that shows me how some of you guys think. I enjoy this and I don't want to P*** you or anyone O**. If I crossed a line: I appologize. I do mean it. JR

 

[bjcsc]

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I agree that raising the min. wage is a mistake, but not for most of the reasons I've read so far. Businesses that employ large numbers of min. wage employees will not suffer - they will raise their prices and/or reduce the quality of their products and/or service to maintain their margins. If they compete in the world market, they will lose marketshare. They will then go to foreign distributors to supply them (think Harbor Freight) to compete. If that's not enough, they will fold. Meanwhile, inflation will consume any increase in the min. wage and simply leave all of us paying more, just like when they raised it last time, and just like the inflation that has occurred as a result of two-income families becoming the norm. The kicker is that raising the min. wage DOES NOTHING for most of us regular ol' middle class folks, except increase our cost of living and make things like health insurance, etc. that much harder to maintain. All so some high school dropout with four kids can afford movie channels. I wonder what it wil be like here in the U.S. when all we are is a bunch of accountants, lawyers, bankers, doctors, and politicians...once we've finished burying our manufacturing and service companies...steel, textiles, automobiles, business services to India, immigrant labor....

Maybe they should think about creating a Federal Labor Union...a bullet to the head would be better than a billion papercuts...

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Hmmmmm.....
I wonder how much more revenue the Gubmint will collect from the increase payroll taxes?

 

[bjcsc]

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Hmmmmm.....
I wonder how much more revenue the Gubmint will collect from the increase payroll taxes?

Exactly, now you're touching on one of the real reasons they're raising it...just like municipalities annex so "all the unfortunate rural people can benefit from city services"...

 

[Haut Medoc]

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I know, I was waiting for someone else to bring it up..

 

[JasonJ]

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Hmmmmm.....
I wonder how much more revenue the Gubmint will collect from the increase payroll taxes?

That is intrigueing. It would be fun to do the math on that one, but I wouldn't want to be "fuzzy". You know, wanting all the information and all...

 

[treedancer]

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Quote waterinfuel

Good job you dumb liberals.

Bush economic report praises 'outsourcing' jobs
Tuesday, February 10, 2004
By Warren Vieth and Edwin Chen, Los Angeles Times
WASHINGTON -- The movement of U.S. factory jobs and white-collar work to other countries is part of a positive transformation that will enrich the U.S. economy over time, even if it causes short-term pain and dislocation, the Bush administration said yesterday.

Congress Sets New Federal Debt Limit: $9 Trillion
by David Welna

March 16, 2006

Faced with a potential government shutdown, the Senate votes to raise the nation's debt limit for the fourth time in five years. The bill passed by a 52-48 vote, increasing the ceiling to $9 trillion. The bill now goes to the president.
The debt now stands at more than $8.2 trillion
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President Bush mentioned border control in the last 7 State of the union speeches, and he hasn’t done jack squat about the porous borders .The borders are as wide open as they were when he took office, maybe even more so.

So now the conservatives are squawking about the minimum wage being raised to $5.85 from $5.15 after being stuck at $5.15 for ten years, and were dumbaxx libs.

I believe the current Administration sets new limits on dumb, and the defenders on this board are getting rather shrill in there defense of the of this failed presidency. Maybe if I were trying to defend a Presidency that I had voted for and continue to support, I would be rather shrill myself ,don’t think so but maybe.
Especially with all this in the closet and about to jump out and say BOO.

Vice President **** Cheney is expected to make an appearance on the witness stand at the trial for his former aide, Lewis Libby, who is accused of obstructing justice and lying to officials investigating the Bush Administration's alleged "outing" of a CIA officer, Monday's New York Times will report.

Ex-Agent Ties Firing to CIA Pressure on WMD

By Chitra Ragavan
Posted 2/9/07

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070209/9cia.htm

A federal judge has ruled that a CIA agent identified only as
"Doe," allegedly fired after he gathered prewar intelligence showing that Iraq was not developing weapons of mass destruction, can proceed with his lawsuit against the CIA. The judge has ordered both parties to submit discovery requests–evidence they want for their case–to be completed by March 15, according to the CIA agent's lawyer and a spokesman for the Justice Department, which is defending the CIA in court.

I guess we were rather dumb to have believed him, but I do believe that anybody that still believes anything he says is even dumber.

Oo yes this was about the minimum wage, so look at this were talking about $5.85 per hour, compare that number too this number, New Federal Debt Limit: $9 Trillion. Guess you have to have something to deflect attention away from the dummy’s that have got us into the ($9Trillon) dollar range.

 

[bjcsc]

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Don't get me mixed up with anyone defending anybody. Unless I missed something, the minimum wage change occurred under the Bush Administration?? I support our President no matter which side of the aisle they come from. As far as two off-topic comments: the CIA outing, BFD...the two parties screw each other every chance they get so I find it hard to take aim at either one on the rare occasions when they get caught. Esp. considering neither of us was there to witness anything so all we know is what some media source wants us to know and they all have their biases - in both directions. That said, I understand your position, as blaming the President is the easiest route. You have responded as they intended. The national debt - so what - it doesn't mean anything. We haven't been on the gold standard in decades, it's just a bunch of numbers backed up by nothing. All of our bank accounts, retirement accounts, nothing but a bunch of numbers we trade or will trade with each other. When Clinton was president he manipulated the numbers by putting them in different columns, but they were still there. woowee...but I guess you bought it...

Until we as a country refuse to elect incumbents - no matter what - instead of being polarized into conservatives/liberals - nothing will change. As long as people like you believe the President is to blame or that one party or another is to blame - nothing will change. The fact of the matter is that career politicians are to blame. They don't represent you and I anymore, they represent anyone and anything that will keep them in the system, esp. in the House of Rep. where they run every two years.

There are plenty of "let's blame President Bush" threads here already. This one's about the minimum wage change and it's effects. Do you have an opinion on the topic?