Shots fired

[jtexas]

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Sorry this offends you, theriver, it is indeed very sad that the man got himself shot. <br /><br />And you could be right; a terrorist might not announce a bomb before he detonates it. Or he might.<br /><br />But a sick person such as you describe might very well have a bomb, and might very well announce it on an airplane. That is a possible outcome of schizophrenia, I hope I haven't been too insensitive in mentioning it.<br /><br />Too bad you weren't there, with your keen diagnostic powers. It must be quite an accomplishment, the ability to diagnose a severe mental disorder in someone you've never seen before, based on a single interaction, and determine whether their condition renders them harmless or makes them dangerous.

 

[rodbolt]

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I have a daughter that suffers from Bi-polar, I understand.<br /> I feel sorry for the family of both the shooter and shootee.<br /> its sad. but when someone is standing there threatening you dont have much time to act.<br /> the air marshall did what he is trained to do.<br /> its so very sad but I cant condem the airmarshal.<br /> so far all the indications point to the correct reactions to a persons action.

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by theriver:<br /> Why would a terrorist blow up the jetway and not the plane mid flight? If you were a terrorist, would you announce you had a bomb just prior to detonation?<br />It was pretty obvious to me that this person was suffering a mental disorder as soon as I read the first few posts. This is a very sad story really. A sick person posing no real threat, gets killed. If you had a close family member who was cursed with a lifelong disease like schizophrenia or similar mental disorder, you'd perhaps understand.

This is the statement of someone who is really out of touch with reality.<br /><br />Now let's envision this as we know the details:<br /><br />You are an air marshall whose job it is to protect passenger and plane from any form of repeat of 9/11 and other incidents.<br /><br />In your presence, a complete stranger, on board the loaded aircraft says he has a bomb in his bag.<br /><br />You tell that individual to drop to the deck.<br /><br />He begins to run while sticking his hand in his bag.<br /><br />-------You as the air marshall have the following options unless your are a whining, illogical, unrepentant liberal:<br /><br />You can take the stranger at his word, in a crowded cabin, and drop him after a warning,?<br />-------------or----------------<br />You can stop and ask him if he has all of his mental faculties?<br />-------------or-----------------<br />The air marshall should have called airport security and told them to strip search another granny.<br /><br />Give me a huge break theriver. Your position embodies why the Left is so out of the loop today.

 

[deputydawg]

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I feel bad some moron had to get himself killed. I feel sad for his family. More than that I feel bad for the marshal. He will be the target of an investigation that might get driven by the media. CNN has a thing of right from the start trying to either assign blame or inciting others to think of blaming. Instead of painting the marshal as the hero he or she is, they paint the picture of his being a murderer who went off and stepped over the line. Have we even found confirmation yet the man was mentally ill? I haven't watched the news yet so can't comment for sure.<br /><br />And yes he should have shot to kill, why else shoot?

 

[rodbolt]

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deputydawg<br /> CNN actually has been rather supportive based on the facts so far.<br /> and all my use of deadly force traing we never once trained to shoot to kill, I dont think many forces, other than snipers, do.<br /> we are trained to aim for center mass, no wounding shots nor killing shots, we are trained to hit the center mass to aid in the chance of scoring a hit. in other words we trained to wing them in the chest with a .45.<br />but most the veterans that ever had to kill still say it affects them, even though in the same circumstances they say they would do it again. so now this airmarshal will have to live with the fact he killed a human, so far its a justifiable killing in my opinion but sad for all concerned just the same.

 

[theriver]

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Why does me showing some compassion automatically cause labeling me on the left? If someone wanted to blow up the plane, they could have simply put the bomb in their checked luggage.<br />I am not suggesting things could have played out any differently. I said if the person was in fact ill, the story is a sad one for all involved.<br /><br />QC22-I read it. You and I are on the same page probably.

 

[deputydawg]

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That's good to hear about CNN. I haven't watched any news so only went by bits I have heard. <br />All of my training has been shoot until the threat ends. Aim center mass, easiest to hit and highest chance of changing their minds about whatever they were thinking of. We also train the "double tap". Shoot twice center mass, then if the threat is still present one to the head or one to the hips. The pelvis does some damage and is easier to hit.<br /><br />Too bad it had to happen whatever the circumstances. Loss of human life is never a good thing, but hats off to the marshal for serving all of us in his actions. God be with him and his family through this.

 

[DJ]

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theriver,<br /><br />You have a tendancy to-automatically-excuse the wrongdoer.

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by theriver:<br /> Why does me showing some compassion automatically cause labeling me on the left?

Your statement did not allude to your compassion. It blamed the system for not somehow determining, in the heat of the moment, that this individual MAY have been exhibiting characteristics of a mentally unsound individual. That is an absolute characteristic of the Left.

 

[theriver]

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DJ-<br />Nope, I usually give people the benefit of the doubt.<br />You should try it sometime.

 

[theriver]

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Boomyal, I'm a centrist.

 

[Kalian]

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Yep! Double tap. One to stop forward momentum and another to knock him back. Center mass. It's not specificaly shooting to kill, but usualy turns out that way.<br /> And I agree about feeling bad for the marshall. He's probably gonna get put through the ringer.<br /> By the way, if he was a bomber, you have no way of knowing what his real target was. Maybe he was on a lowf passenger count flight, and was headed for the center of the crowded airport to rack up a higher death toll, resulting in more publicity and public fear, which is the terrorists ultimate goal. And saying he could have put a bomb in his checked luggage is not a good argument. He could have put one anywhere, including his shoe! The point is you can't exclude it as a possibility just because there are other options. I think the marshal did the right thing.

 

[Boomyal]

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What does 'centrist' mean tr'? IMHO it is a mantle that the people who do not want to be labled Leftist have dreamt up. As we all know, Leftists are trying all kinds of new names because they do not want to admit where their heart and agendas actually lie. (Obfuscate, prevaricate and disguise)<br /><br />It has been the left who has tried to elevate the position of moderate/centrist to a Heaven bound status so they would have refuge from a title and ethic that is being rapidly discredited.<br /><br />I actually think that is kind of funny. After Hillary tried to so demonize the Right it is the Left that are scurrying, like a bunch of rats, to shed the title of Leftist. You don't notice conservatives doing that, do you?

 

[DJ]

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Nope, I usually give people the benefit of the doubt.<br />

Oh, I do, to the extent, everyday, that you could not comprehend.<br /><br />Trouble is, I hear the same excuses, day after day, year after year.

 

[theriver]

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It means I don't repeatedly support either party Boom. I follow politics closely and wait till election time and select which platform best reflects my values and vote based on that. I'm neither left nor right. No agenda.

 

[QC]

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Something I've been thinking about that is at least partially related . . .<br /><br />The highest level of airport security I have ever experienced was in Colombia. I went thru two metal detectors, three checkpoints and two searches, one by the airline at the gate and one by the military mid-airport. They even were tapping around inside of my suitcase, checking for a false bottom (looking for cocaine I guess). It would be very hard to get something on-board there. That was Bogota, but I gotta believe that Medellin is just as secure.

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by theriver:<br /> It means I don't repeatedly support either party Boom. I follow politics closely and wait till election time and select which platform best reflects my values and vote based on that. I'm neither left nor right. No agenda.

All well and good TR but you don't have to be a centrist to keep an open mind when it comes to choosing a candidate. <br /><br />However, there is no doubt that many issues and positions, regardless of who puts them forth, can either be characterized as conservative or liberal.<br /><br />In this particular case it is undoubtedly the liberals who would try to second guess and demonize the air marshall for doing the only prudent thing that the circumstances called for.

 

[DJ]

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Regardless of whether he had a bomb-or not. He failed to heed. Try that in the beloved Colombia.<br /><br />That stunt there=dead.<br /><br />"bi-polar" is NOT in their vocabulary.

 

[QC]

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Oh I agree DJ. Just though it was interesting. I think the Marshal was a hero. I hope he's on the next flight that I'm on

 

[Kalian]

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Being a "centrist" or a "moderate" defeats the purpose of how our government was set up in the first place. The media has somehow convinced mainstream America that the function of our government is to produce as many laws as possible, which is opposite to the premise our government was setup on.<br /> Having said that, there has been far too much liberal influence in our government for far to long, and it's time for the pendulem to swing the other way now.<br />Just my 2 cents!