sinking boat rescue

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Last weekend a 23' boat with several people aboard sank about 10 miles offshore; they jumped on to another boat and everyone was OK.
Probably a broken through-hull or maybe forgot the plug.

In the discussion on the other forum someone said

<<<I keep one of these velcroed to the hull down in the bilge of my boat. They are very inexpensive especially considering that it could save your boat and the lives of your passengers. You will know almost instantly if you forgot your plug or if you have some other water leak.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...1#.UEqkTo2PWgY
>>>

And I added this:

there is also the stuff that's like a jar of peanut butter that will stop leaks and can be stuffed into any hole, even while water is coming in. Can't recall the name.

Rescue tape is a silicon tape that seals to itself that can wrap a leaking hose or small fitting--also heat and petrol proof.

What you forget when sinking: the water pressure at the leak will seal the leak.
How to make it work: The easiest is at a missing plug. stick a sandwich bag across the OUTSIDE of the hole and it is plugged until you can pump out and get a better fix (like radio me--I have a half dozen plugs all over the boat, tool boxes, cars, etc even though I don't take mine out!). or start carrying extras yourself.

For a broken through-hull or other hole in the boat, use the same techique. On a sailboat, you take a sail, slide it under the hull to where it covers the hole. Use ropes if needed and have one guy on each rail work it back or forward until it's in place. No sails on board? A tarp, garbage bag, console cover, space blanket, rain coat, even a cushion will work. Warm weather, jump in; cold weather, use the ropes. Plan ahead and practice. Consider carrying an Army poncho (since it has grommets) or small tarp for this as well as emergency shelter.
 

etracer68

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I got an error when going to the site, but I like the sandwich bag.
 

LippCJ7

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Me too HC'

Pretty interested in your redneck idea, since I am one....
 

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I see you mentioned you don't take your plug out. Here in Mn they are now just starting to heavily enforce that the plug not be in the boat upon arrival at the ramp even though it's been the law for a couple years. They are now starting random boat checks on the highways and will pull vehicles with boat's over on highways nowhere near a body of water. It will surely be tested in court as they are treating it like dui checkpoints or at least that is the law they intend to use.
 

etracer68

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I always have the plug out going home from the lake, and the boat is stored in the garage with the plug out. I do often put the plug in at home before I leave to go to the lake though. I run the motor before (unless it has been run the day before) I go to the lake on muffs, and go through my checks. I have plenty of things to do at the launch, and is a check, but rather have it in before I leave the house. I have heard of people getting busted with the plug in while on the road. Joanne always asks me if the plug is in when I get out to unhook the winch strap at the launch, and I generally say, "yes mine is in, do you have one in?", and she says "your disgusting", and we carry on.:p
 

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Every boater should keep one of these;
plug.jpg

In there "kit". They go from a very small tip to as large as 4 1/2" at the base and if you have a hole bigger than that, then odds are you've got more problems. This is something we forget and just "take for granted" I think too often. We spend most of time worrying about break downs, having the "required safety equipment" etc. etc. but I wonder how many of us, me included, are really prepared for a true emergency?
 

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@jkust....Have they said what the point of that law is, the "keeping the plug out of the boat" thing? I know in my case, I'm about 1 mile from the ramp so if the boat's on the trailer and I'm going to launch it, I usually go ahead and put the plug in at home so the only left to do is take off the transom straps @ the ramp? There must be some justification for that requirement but I can't think of one at the moment?:confused:
 

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What would be the reason for a law against having plug in?
 

MJG24

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Nevermind, just saw it is to reduce the spread of zebra mussels, watermilfoil, and spiny water fleas. Includes draining after use - plug and livewells, and trailering with plug out.
 

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um, I don't take my plug out b/c I don't take my boat out of the water. Else it would sink.

The orange plug or similar device is a good back-up too. However it has 2 drawbacks: water pressure works against it unless you go overboard, and some holes are inaccessible. So best to have something to fix from the inside AND the outside. the "peanut butter" has the same issues.

The broken link is to a $12 water alarm from Home Depot.
 

jkust

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@jkust....Have they said what the point of that law is, the "keeping the plug out of the boat" thing? I know in my case, I'm about 1 mile from the ramp so if the boat's on the trailer and I'm going to launch it, I usually go ahead and put the plug in at home so the only left to do is take off the transom straps @ the ramp? There must be some justification for that requirement but I can't think of one at the moment?:confused:

It has taken a while suprisingly but MN has now officially gone invasive species crazy. Now when I pull up to the ramp, they do a full check of the trailer, and boat including making me tilt the engine down to let any water out of the drive. Over the holiday a week and a half ago, each boat was subject to a full minimum 10 minute check and discussion. They only check the boat that is actually entering the water and so everyperson in line is waiting forever. Then they check you when you get out and don't let you pull far enough forward to allow anyone else to enter or exit the water. The word egregious comes to mind. It has become a hot button because of course water fowl that bring in the species aren't being checked and they are now talking about putting railroad type crossing arms up at accesses and only letting certain boaters in that have the secret code. It is a bit of TSA mentality.
 

Thalasso

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I carry a toilet bowl ring seal. It's pliable and you can force it into any size hole. Doesn't take any room to store. Along with the anything type of tape. (duck)
 

gpfishingdude

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Re: sinking boat rescue

Last weekend a 23' boat with several people aboard sank about 10 miles offshore; they jumped on to another boat and everyone was OK.
Probably a broken through-hull or maybe forgot the plug.

In the discussion on the other forum someone said

<<<I keep one of these velcroed to the hull down in the bilge of my boat. They are very inexpensive especially considering that it could save your boat and the lives of your passengers. You will know almost instantly if you forgot your plug or if you have some other water leak.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...1#.UEqkTo2PWgY
>>>

And I added this:

there is also the stuff that's like a jar of peanut butter that will stop leaks and can be stuffed into any hole, even while water is coming in. Can't recall the name.

Rescue tape is a silicon tape that seals to itself that can wrap a leaking hose or small fitting--also heat and petrol proof.

What you forget when sinking: the water pressure at the leak will seal the leak.
How to make it work: The easiest is at a missing plug. stick a sandwich bag across the OUTSIDE of the hole and it is plugged until you can pump out and get a better fix (like radio me--I have a half dozen plugs all over the boat, tool boxes, cars, etc even though I don't take mine out!). or start carrying extras yourself.

For a broken through-hull or other hole in the boat, use the same techique. On a sailboat, you take a sail, slide it under the hull to where it covers the hole. Use ropes if needed and have one guy on each rail work it back or forward until it's in place. No sails on board? A tarp, garbage bag, console cover, space blanket, rain coat, even a cushion will work. Warm weather, jump in; cold weather, use the ropes. Plan ahead and practice. Consider carrying an Army poncho (since it has grommets) or small tarp for this as well as emergency shelter.
That sounds pretty easy! I'm betting that the garbage bag and the sandwich bag would wash right through the hole from the pressure of the water trying to get in to the boat. I worked with a guy who towed his boat all the way from Indiana to Minnesota for a fishing trip with the kids and forgot the plug and it sank far enough to drown out his motor. I don't know if it was an inboard or outboard. I felt very sorry for them because he was recently divorced and he wanted to spend some quality time with his kids.
 

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It has taken a while suprisingly but MN has now officially gone invasive species crazy. Now when I pull up to the ramp, they do a full check of the trailer, and boat including making me tilt the engine down to let any water out of the drive. Over the holiday a week and a half ago, each boat was subject to a full minimum 10 minute check and discussion. They only check the boat that is actually entering the water and so everyperson in line is waiting forever. Then they check you when you get out and don't let you pull far enough forward to allow anyone else to enter or exit the water. The word egregious comes to mind. It has become a hot button because of course water fowl that bring in the species aren't being checked and they are now talking about putting railroad type crossing arms up at accesses and only letting certain boaters in that have the secret code. It is a bit of TSA mentality.

At Lake Mead not only do you have to drain your boat you also have to dry it off. If you're caught on the road with a wet boat they can confiscate it (at least that's what the signs say).
 

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If you have a small boat or a big but fast sports boat and you forget the plug, don't panic! Just hit the throttle hard. After plane the water will drain out on it's own.

Then you have some time to coordinate a rescue team on the ramp or improvise a plug from inside while on the move.

The bigger the boat, the riskier this maneuver is, of course. I used to drain our dinghy like this as a kid, it was fun. :)

[Don't quote me on this, this is kind of a crazy thing to do on bigger boats. I take no responsibility XD]
 

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You can buy the high water alarm,easy to install,no wiring. Just keep an eye on the batteries in it.But you can also get a bilge float switch and wire it to your horn or alarm, it'll let ya know when needed. Hopefully never!
Grub
 

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I have 2 bilge pumps on mine, a 500 for rain water and an 1100 for real problems with an alarm wired into that circuit so if the big one goes off you get a peircing alarm and know immediately that you have a problem.

This was done after a "forgot the plug" incident, ran no wake 10-15 minute down a channel to get to a lake, opened the rod locker to find swirling water, as I went back to get the plug in the water it was about an inch from coming over the transom, pretty scary.

jkust, that sound horrible, I understand why they are doing it but wow, they went full Nazi on it, I have been checked for a fishing liceance and they look at the reg sticker but that is it here and even that is really really rare, maybe 4 times in 15-20 years.

We have Zebras here, they were really bad a few years ago but I haven't noticed them too much recently.

The one I am dreading is the Asian Carp, I know it is only a matter of time though, the river I fish dumps into lake Michigan so once they get in there it will only be a matter of time before they hit the St Joe river.
 

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You can buy the high water alarm,easy to install,no wiring. Just keep an eye on the batteries in it.But you can also get a bilge float switch and wire it to your horn or alarm, it'll let ya know when needed. Hopefully never!
Grub

on one boat I have, the bilge switch (and others) has a red light when on--so you won't leave them on by accident, mainly. When my float switch triggers the bilge, even with the dash switch off, the red lights up. So I have a visual "alarm", which is sufficient for my set-up.
As long as everything is working correctly....
 

flycaster

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I always have the plug out going home from the lake, and the boat is stored in the garage with the plug out. I do often put the plug in at home before I leave to go to the lake though. I run the motor before (unless it has been run the day before) I go to the lake on muffs, and go through my checks. I have plenty of things to do at the launch, and is a check, but rather have it in before I leave the house. I have heard of people getting busted with the plug in while on the road. Joanne always asks me if the plug is in when I get out to unhook the winch strap at the launch, and I generally say, "yes mine is in, do you have one in?", and she says "your disgusting", and we carry on.:p

Keep one of hers for emergency. Commercial on TV at one time showed using one to use in emergency.
 
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