Small Boat - New look

pantaloonz

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Good day all, not sure if this boat is too small to for this forum, if so, mods feel free to delete.

Last weekend I picked up 2 high qualtiy fishing poles, a nice achnor, and 4 life preservers, oh yeah it came with this:
20150913_080521.jpg Small fishing craft, no idea the manufacturer, 12' from tip of bow to stern. Though even that's pushing it by an inch, or so. Here you can see the transom plate is shot, comes off in my fingers. One of the rivets in the transom is gone. Drain "flute" is a custom job so I have no real plug. She is beastly heavy. Rightly so it was built as a sturdy row boat. Here's the catch:

I want to lighten her up, and turn it into a more portable small fishing craft able to handle ONLY a small trolling motor, nothing more, sometimes less (just paddle it around) - The seats are all foamed up underneath and the corners are reinforced. Most of seats are loose; one pretty significantly. There is a reinforced rail along the whole thing.

First off I plan to cut the stern by almost a foot indicated by the red line, (the transom needs to be replaced anyway) after that I want to trim the sides down. I plan to start by taking roughly the amount shown in the 2nd picture below; around the entire cirucumference of the boat. a bit less on the sides.
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I'll keep the rope pull. This will remove the reinforced rail, as well as the welded corner plates, which should bring the weight down considerably, and yes will weaken the overall rigidity.

The seats are coming out, I think the foam is water logged, feels overly heavy.

1. Am I being too aggressive with the material reduction?

2. I'd like the new transom to be quality ply. Am I'm going to have problem making a solid rigid connection : wood -> metal.? Is there a better option I"m not considering?

3. I'm sure I'll make more holes in the hull as things progress, on purpose and by mistake. Several threads comment oin a popular wood filler, is there a compound of choice for aluminum hole repair?

Thanks again,.. and here I go again..

-Pantz
 

alldodge

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Your plan is to take a 12 foot boat and make it a 9.5 to 10 footer, then cut the top down which probably only has maybe 12 inch of fee board and shorten that to about half that. Make sure not to carry anything you don't want to get wet and your wearing a life jacket.

The boat is light and probably has a piece of plywood across the back for the motor. Making the stern all plywood will increase weight.
 

pantaloonz

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So your answer is yes: I'm taking too much material off, and the weight reduction I would gain would be lost with the ply transom and it's going to be less sea-worthy.

This is why I ask here: Though this response was more enjoyable, as I'm a fan of light sarcasm.

How about I only reduce to 11', and go easier on the sides? Same issue?

-Pantz
 

64osby

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That is a lot of work to convert a perfectly good 12'er to a smaller boat.

Many years ago I saw an ad on craigslist. They had a 14'er and they were looking to down size to a 12'er. I had a 12'er and wanted to upgrade.

Called the guy and we did an even swap. Worked great for both of us. He got a smaller boat leak free boat and I ended up with a 14'er that would slowly sink.:cool:

I fixed it up and the repair was much easier then what you are thinking of doing. It is the Big Fisherman in my signature.

I would look to trade before tearing a perfectly good boat apart. It would be much easier in the long run IMO.
 

pantaloonz

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Ok we've got a consensus going thank you everyone!

I have the trailer. :) Where it's going to be used the most has no trailer access :) It's a few hundred yards to the old basshole.. :) Several people leave their canoe's chained to trees down at the shoreline. I love the spot very close to home. I don't relish dragging her back and forth,.. but such is life. TIme better spent may be building a small rack with some wheels so I can roll it down the dirt path..

But I hear you loud and clear, don't mess with it. I'll set about fixing the blemishes, fixing the the transom plate, and shoring up the seats. Maybe after it's cleaned up I'll look around for a trade to a flatter more 'jon' boat type.

Thanks iboaters!
 

fishin98

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From the looks of it....it reminds me of a OLDER Smokercraft Canadien....I had one years ago 14'er....great little boat....as mentioned put it on a trl, There are transom rollers you can buy to get it to your fishin hole. Looks like a great project boat.
 

MTboatguy

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A transom roller is much easier to build than to cut that boat down and get it right, you are looking at a lot of work to cut it down and do it so the boat is safe.
 

Scott Danforth

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Hit craigslist for one of those bike trailer/ jogger things for $25 and make a small transom roller to launch your boat at your favorite fishing hole
 
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pantaloonz

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Thanks 64, there are several ideas there to work from. I'm going with a some fairly large soft rubber tires (it's very bumpy on that road) with a basic axle and cross member support. If I'm feeling adventurous, or find some idle time during the offseason; the detachable rear wheel strut type look promising as well.

cool!

-Pantz
 

fishin98

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Garlick makes clamp on transom wheels/bracket, just the ticket for what you what to do.
 

jigngrub

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I suggest replacing the foam floatation, the old stuff is probably wet and adding weight.

I also suggest removing all of the paint, you wouldn't think paint would be that heavy but multiple coats are and people that don't know how to stop an aluminum boat from leaking think lots of coats of paint will work... it doesn't.

Finally I suggest a membership to Golds Gym, start doing some weight training now and you'll be carrying that boat on your shoulder by next spring!
 

pantaloonz

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Jig,

That's funny stuff... but it's an online forum, everyone here is 6'5' 250lbs and can bench press a VW bug.. oh wait that's gaming forums..
I can move this boat around without a transom roller, it's just not fun. I'm able to carry it on it's side, again it's not fun but I could if VERY motivated.

In any event, the metal on the transom IS NOT original; the weld mark (I don't know the term) is not great quality and it's been sprayed with... WAIT FOR IT....

**Flex Seal**!! == Wheeee

The inside/top of the transom has a very old wooden member, the outside/top of the transom has same vintage wood, this can be peeled right off. So that will need to be fixed/replaced. Yesterday I used my grinder and ripped out the seats, the foam was generic styrofoam, all that stuff is going to the dump. The styrofoam was dry and actually pretty light. But I'm redoing the seating to how I want it, so all that's going.

The heavy aspect of this is coming from the bulky corner and bow welds as well as a very heavy reinforced rail along the top and a very think transom support cross beam from a floor cross member. The entire floor has metal cross-members which also are quite heavy.

The paint will be coming off, I intend to sand/prep the entire thing. I'll protect the inside with some sort of sealant. My sons are going to paint the outside and bottom of the boat as some sort of pond scene.. their great idea is to make the boat look like the pond, complete with reeds, lilly pads, and some frogs.. etc etc.. that will be fun afternoon :)

I've decided that I'm going to take on rebuilding the transom. I *know* that's it's a lot of work and will take precision and care to get right and keep the boat safe. But there are too many problems with the existing transom as is.. rotten wooden plates, flimsy metal, major overkill on the cross support bar (due to flimsy metal), custom (crappy) drain plug thingee...FlexSeal...

​- Pantz
 

64osby

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At least you don't have the boat from the commercial.:D

Small tinny transoms are not that hard. Pull the old use as a template and put new wood back in. Be a little creative with replacing the fasteners with solid rivets, aluminum closed end blind rivets and or stainless bolts and it will be better than new.
 

gm280

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Oh man don't cut up that hull. Clean everything out including the soggy foam and rotted transom wood and see what you actually have. You may be amazed how much less it weighs. I can easily see a very nice fishing boat there with some labor and love... I actually hulled around a 12' FeatherCraft aluminum boat for a few years sliding it in and out of the back of my truck. Then a 7.5HP Sear Game Fisher OB and trolling motor came along (both used of course). Yes I had to take each part out of the hull and slide it to the water line and install everything back in again, But I did a lot of fishing that way as well. Then I bought a closeout new trailer at a K Mart and WALA a boat, engine and trailer made fishing easier. So save the cutting equipment and see what you honestly have after evaluating it again... JMHO!
 
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