Snow....

[SgtMaj]

Re: Snow....

Nobody's denying that natural temperature trends happen. Of course there are climate changes regardless of what humans do. The point being made by those who are concerned is that we are hastening the changes through our actions, and that we can do things to slow down these changes.

My car's undercarriage will eventually rust through whether I like it or not. Does that mean I should just go down to the beach and drive around in the surf, since there's nothing I can do about it?

The process of climate change can be slowed down, but it's either going to take some major lifestyle changes or some major technological advances.

If Greenland becomes green again, most of us will be living in Brownland.

The question they have never bothered to answer however, is if we can make the climate changes into a good thing.

 

[fishdog4449]

Re: Snow....

Since we can't even tell what the weather will be like in three days, how in the heck are we supposed to tell years from now? In the 70s there was a supposed Ice age coming and the planet was cooling off. I like to call it gorebull warming.

 

[cheburashka]

Re: Snow....

Since we can't even tell what the weather will be like in three days, how in the heck are we supposed to tell years from now? In the 70s there was a supposed Ice age coming and the planet was cooling off. I like to call it gorebull warming.

I really don't get why everyone focuses on Gore so much. A huge majority of climatologists are of the opinion that our release of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere is creating a change in the weather patterns which includes documented changes such as melting of glaciers and warming of sea waters. It's not Gore's theory. He has been trying to get people to acknowledge it, but he didn't invent it. Well-educated scientists who know a lot more than you, or I, or Bill O'Reilly came up with the theory.

I'm not sure what part of the theory you're disputing. Do you disagree that we are releasing huge amounts of greenhouse gases? Do you disagree that greenhouse gases cause an increase in global temperatures? If you're going to call a theory bull, you should at least give a reason for it.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Snow....

I really don't get why everyone focuses on Gore so much. A huge majority of climatologists are of the opinion that our release of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere is creating a change in the weather patterns which includes documented changes such as melting of glaciers and warming of sea waters. It's not Gore's theory. He has been trying to get people to acknowledge it, but he didn't invent it. Well-educated scientists who know a lot more than you, or I, or Bill O'Reilly came up with the theory.

I'm not sure what part of the theory you're disputing. Do you disagree that we are releasing huge amounts of greenhouse gases? Do you disagree that greenhouse gases cause an increase in global temperatures? If you're going to call a theory bull, you should at least give a reason for it.

Well, at least he found the time to invent the internet......
Thanks, AL!.......
As long as you buy some carbon offset credits you are absolved.....

 

[SgtMaj]

Re: Snow....

The biggest problem with global warming is that it's such a political hot button that neither side is willing to investigate alternatives.

Global warming activists, as I will call them, are absolutely convinced that anything resulting from human activity must be bad, and therefore global warming must be bad and must be reversed only be erasing the effect we have on the climate.

Meanwhile, anti-global warming activists, as I will call them, are so convinced that it's either not happening, or is completely natural, that they refuse to investigate any solutions whatsoever.

What both are missing, is that humans could possibly solve the global climate change problems by further asserting our control over the climate and manipulating it to the benefit of all. Of course, neither group wants to think about those possibilities because they are too busy fighting with each other.

 

[cheburashka]

Re: Snow....

The biggest problem with global warming is that it's such a political hot button that neither side is willing to investigate alternatives.

Global warming activists, as I will call them, are absolutely convinced that anything resulting from human activity must be bad, and therefore global warming must be bad and must be reversed only be erasing the effect we have on the climate.

Meanwhile, anti-global warming activists, as I will call them, are so convinced that it's either not happening, or is completely natural, that they refuse to investigate any solutions whatsoever.

What both are missing, is that humans could possibly solve the global climate change problems by further asserting our control over the climate and manipulating it to the benefit of all. Of course, neither group wants to think about those possibilities because they are too busy fighting with each other.

I agree. I'm more on the conservation side of things, but I recognize that we may be able to apply technological solutions. Aside from the problems we had with holes in the ozone layer and all, CFCs proved to be a very effective means of lowering the temperature of the earth. Unfortunately, they also cause a hole in the ozone layer. I could imagine us coming up with a similar solution in the upper atmosphere, but it's going to take time and money.

Some of the activists on my side of things seem unwilling to allow for any other solutions than simple conservation, and it's clear that this "solution" will only slow things down. Greenhouse gas emission needs to be stopped, and hopefully reversed.

On the other hand, the deniers tend to sway public opinion against any attempt to find solutions. The whole "let's ridicule carbon credits without really understanding them" thing is a major problem. Carbon credits are a good way of getting the private sector to apply their know-how to solving the problem of greenhouse gas emission, but all the silly one-liners and Gore jokes tend to allow people to feel that their ignorance about the situation is justifiable. "Why worry about global climate change when Gore is a dork?"

We do need to find a compromise. Saying "let's live with it" seems to me to be a poor compromise, since it alters animal habitat and would wipe out a lot of species that we rely on.