So nobodies talking about Nagin?

[bootle]

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Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> yep <br /> I like it.<br /> Nagin and nawlens<br /> what I find funnier is the news report on congressman jefferson. maybe he is being railroaded as well.

How does a congressman explain the large sums of cash hidden in freezer containers and neatly wrapped in foil, as discovered during a warranted search of his home by law enforcement officials???.<br /><br />Its extremely difficult in America today for a congressman to be railroaded in the deep south and sustain freezer burns to such a degree.

 

[PW2]

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Well, you are wrong that the democratic party all blamed it on Bush.<br /><br />First of all, who speaks for the democratic party? Please tell me, I'd like to know.<br /><br />Second, to my knowledge it was widely accepted that it was a failure of leadership at all levels of gov't from the largest natural disaster this country has ever seen.<br /><br />Third, while I don't pretend to defend Nagin (I have Doug Brinkley's new book on order from Amazon where he widely criticizes Nagin specifically, and I am anxious to read it) it appears to me there is plenty of blame to go around, from the local, state, and federal gov't, not to mention the corps of engineers, and what wasn't done years before to prepare for the possibility of this...<br /><br />But at first glance, some of the criticisms in my view are somewhat unfair. Sure, the busses *should* have been utilized somehow, but if you start mass evacuations, you simply have to have some place in mind to evacuate them to. <br /><br />And what of the people that "could have saved themselves, but didn't". Now you and I would have got out of there, somehow, no doubt. I have a Visa card, and I could have found a place to stay, and food to eat, etc. For whatever reason, not every one does. Their lives have value as well.<br /><br />There are haves and have nots in this society, for whatever reason. The have not's exist, they always have existed, and no doubt they always will exist. You may really want to live in a Darwinian society where the weak among us are simply allowed to perish, but IMO we are a civilized society in the richest country in the world and can do better than that.<br /><br />Does that mean a guaranteed free ride? Of course not. I don't speak for dems (Actually I am a registered Independent) and I do believe in individual incentives---I have no idea why society seems to leave some people behind, but it always has and it probably always will-- and they, because they are human beings, deserve some minimum level of care.<br /><br />I have no idea how to rebuild N.O. It is a monumental task, and no doubt it will be unfair to some at some level, just as the comp to the 9/11 victims was at some level unfair.<br /><br />Still, doing nothing does not seem to me to be a realistic option for this country.

 

[RubberFrog]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> Well, you are wrong that the democratic party all blamed it on Bush.

Give me a break <br /><br />

Originally posted by PW2:<br />First of all, who speaks for the democratic party? Please tell me, I'd like to know.<br />

A bunch of nuts!

 

[alden135]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> <br /><br />But at first glance, some of the criticisms in my view are somewhat unfair. Sure, the busses *should* have been utilized somehow, but if you start mass evacuations, you simply have to have some place in mind to evacuate them to. <br /><br />

Hmmmmm...<br /><br />Bus me out of town to anywhere, or leave me to die in a flooded city hmmmmmmmmm. <br /><br /><br />Here's my non-confrontational smiley

 

[RubberFrog]

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PW2's last post is going over like a fart in church....

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> .... it appears to me there is plenty of blame to go around, from the local, state, and federal gov't, not to mention the corps of engineers, and what wasn't done years before to prepare for the possibility of this...

You help make my point PW. "plenty of blame to go around"! Shall we go back and delve into the fact that agencies of the Federal Govt. (who IMHO should have had nothing to do with the run up to a natural disaster anyway) were held at bay by state and local authorities. Should we examine all of the Federal monies that had been given to LA/NO for purposes of levee improvement and were unaccountably spent elsewhere?<br /><br />Back to my original statement. The one MOST responsible for the chaos, confusion and death in NO, and who's blame placing was supported by the Democrat Elite, in hopes at getting to Bush, was just re-elected by the people that were affected the most. That will be DUMB til the end of time.<br /><br />Kinda makes me think of the battered wife syndrome.

 

[QC]

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Global Warming . . . The CO2 generated by the fuel I personally burned on July 11, 1999 was spotted mingling around the area that Katrina formed. Sorry.

 

[JRJ]

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lol at this thread. Please carry on dough-boys sitting on nit wits and gas mixed with sweets, frozen money wrapped in foil for the BBQ? I hope heycods brings this one back up for a good laugh.

 

[heycods]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> <br /><br /><br />First of all, who speaks for the democratic party? Please tell me, I'd like to know.<br /><br />

I believe the media is the answer you were searching for here.

 

[ob]

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Pelosi,Kennedy,Chris Mathews,Hillary,Alan Colmes,Ted Koppel,just to name a few.I guess the answer would be ,they speak for themselves.

 

[12Footer]

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I cannot comprehend the liberal mind that would think ol School bus Nagin is worth their vote.<br />So I ask myself, why bother to comment further?

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by heycods:<br />

Originally posted by PW2:<br /> <br /><br /><br />First of all, who speaks for the democratic party? Please tell me, I'd like to know.<br /><br />

I believe the media is the answer you were searching for here.

Don't forget the pundits that they solicit to support their case heycods!

 

[POINTER94]

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I would think that the head of the party Scream Dean speaks for the party. You must be very proud.<br /><br />But Murtha calling our troops murderers could be considered.<br /><br />How about Durbin calling our troops Nazi's?<br /><br />You can never discount the importance of Kerry (he's a war hero don't you know) calling our troops Terrorists when figuring out who speaks for the party.<br /><br />But Harry Reid calling our troops torture'ers is a fine spokesman.<br /><br />Strong leadership. Compassionate. Deep thinkers all. Good thing you are trying to toss out Leiberman, he is the most rational member of the party.<br /><br /><br />__________________________________________________________________<br /><br />Still, doing nothing does not seem to me to be a realistic option for this country.<br /><br />Isn't that what they are doing with this vote? What exactly has this guy done but make the most terrible decisions, try to pass the blame, and beg for money from those he tried to blame?

 

[PW2]

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I rest my case.

 

[ebbtide176]

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you should although i doubt its true

 

[PW2]

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I think if some of you would be a little less preoccupied with trying to prove the correctness of your idealogoy, and spend a little more time figuring out how to make it effective, we'd all be better off.<br /><br />It does take a bit of hutzpah, or at minimum a complete disconnect with reality, to be ridiculing and demonizing the political opposition, while you languish with an approval rating in the low 30 percent range.

 

[rottenray6402]

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The complete disconnect with reality is believing that throwing money at problems are going to solve them. If the money allocated for the levee maintence/upgrade would have been spent on the levees I would think we wouldn't even be having this thread right now. Also I think since the polls are conducted by the media branch of the democratic party I'm not relying to much on the accuracy of the numbers. If a lie is repeated often enough it will sound like the truth. If the poll numbers are reported low enough it will be believed. I could devise questions for a poll that would give Mother Theresa a 30% approval. I certainly don't agree with everything W does or says but I shudder to think what would have happened if Al "I invented the internet" Gore would have been president during 9/11!

 

[Haut Medoc]

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I wish some people would give up on the tired, old "What if we had Gore" schtick....<br />The truth is that no one knows what Gore would have done both prior to ar after 9/11.....<br />He may have listened to the intelligence & have averted the diaster, we will never know......<br />What he would/would not have done is a waste of bandwidth because it is purely speculation....<br />Also, the truth is that you will fix a problem by throwing money at it....<br />It is just a matter of how much ......JK

 

[RubberFrog]

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Originally posted by Haut Medoc:<br />What he (Gore) would/would not have done is a waste of bandwidth because it is purely speculation....<br />

Isn't that cute coming from someone that second guesses the president at every turn

 

[artburr]

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Pw2's comments posted on 5/22 @ 3:51 are "right-on" in my book. Many of the others appear racist to me.<br /><br />I have visited N. O.(have you?) and was saddened that the city is so racially divided. Most blacks do live at the poverty level but what can you expect when black kids must attend miserably underfunded public schools while priviledged white kids have the benefits of excellent, often church related, private schools. Considering their educational status and available work, it is no wonder that many N. O. blacks are locked into a hopeless situation with little oportunity to improve their lot or even escape. The situation can only be improved by providing a quality education and employment opportunities for all.