Soldering vs, Crimping Volume II

ThomWV

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Its raining out and I've been putting together a small wireing harness while in the house this morning. I got to thinking about all the discussion about the way to attach wires and connectors. Most are crimped alone, and I've seen so many failures from those connections that they would be uncountable, I immagine you've probably see a couple of hundred of them fall apart before your very eyes or corrode beyond recognition in short time yourself. Here is how I do it, as stated in an earlier post. Some folks don't like it, good for them. I wrote this up for posting elsewhere so it reads like a how to. Hope you don't mind.<br /><br />There has been a lot of discussion about the right way to make a connection between an electrical connector and a wire. Some folks suggest crimping as the only acceptable method of attachment, some prefer to solder, and some of us combine the two common methods. You often see Coast Guard regulations paraphrased as a justification for crimping as the only means of attachment but in fact nothing requires a crimp as the preferred method of connection, just the solder may not be used as the only means of attachment. There are also industry association formulated standards in place which suggest crimping alone but they have no force on anyone and in fact are primarily formulated to indicate to their members the least expensive, but acceptable, method of attachment. Is the least expensive method good enough for your work on your boat? Not on mine.<br /><br />The main argument against soldering really doesn’t because of any failing of soldering itself, it a matter of the simple fact that few people solder well. Its not difficult, requiring only that you first heat the surfaces to be joined to a temperature just hot enough to melt the solder, to then apply the solder sparingly, and then to remove the heat as quickly as possible.<br /><br />My method of attachement, which I’ve mentioned here and on other pages before, is to first crimp the union between connector and wire, then to solder the now-crimped connection and seal it. This is followed by the final step, which is to cover the joint with shrink fit. Here, pictorially, is how it is done:<br /><br />Step one is to strip the wire. Strip it back about 3/16” for wire of about 16~12 guage. Also, this is usually when you have to slide your shrink fit over the wire for later use.<br /><br />
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<br /><br />The second step in making the joint is to prepare the fitting. Do this by removing the plastic sleeve with a pair of needle nosed pliers while holding the fitting, like this:<br /><br />
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<br /><br />After the sleeve has been removed the wire end and the fitting itself needs to be fluxed. Use rosin flux, not acid flux and you won’t have corrosion problems in the future. You can buy this flux at any Radio Shack. The tube you see in the picture has lasted me more than 3 years. You use very little of the flux, like this<br /><br />
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<br /><br />With the barrel of the connector and the wire end both fluxed use your crimpers to make a good solid crimp. Do not crimp with such force that it distorts the connector but make sure that you have a sound connection. Tug on the wire while holding the fitting. Also, notice that if you use the type crimper that I prefer, like the one in the photo with an anvil on one jaw and a hollow on the other that you should position the connector so that if there is a notable seam in its construction that it is opposite the anvil side of the crimp. The crimped connection should look like this:<br /><br />
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<br /><br />With the connector now crimped in place solder the joint. Solder quickly by applying heat to the connector, not the solder, and then allow the slightest bit of solder to flow onto the working joint. Remove the heat immediately after the solder flows. Notice that there is no charing of the wire’s insulation in the picture below.<br /><br />
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<br /><br />With the soldering done wipe any excess flux from the fitting and wire and then seal the junction between the connector and the wire’s insulation. I often use 3M’s 5200 to make this seal but I also use liquid electrical tape and 3m’s Scotchkote Electrical Coating (available at Lowe’s) as shown in the picture. Once again, as shown in the picture, very little of this material is required.<br /><br />
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<br /><br />With the wire and connector crimped, soldered, and sealed its time for the final step. Slide a short section of shrink fit over the wire (in many cases you need to do this before you begin the stripping or any other earlier step). Most shrink fit will shrink down to 50% of its size when heated, so make sure you do not use a size that is too large for your application:<br /><br />
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<br /><br />Finally, shrink down the shrink fit over top of the sealed, soldered, and crimped wire/connector. <br /><br />
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<br /><br />As with any wire run good support is a key to longevity. I usually support wires within 3 or 4 inches of their termination and generally about once per foot along long runs.<br /><br />I know that there are people who think there are better methods than this to attach fittings to wire and I also know that there are folks who think that going to this much effort is a waste of time, materials, and consequently money. I do not agree with them and personally will only accept this level of detail in my own boat, I do the same when I work on other people’s boats. For me it is worth the time, materials, and cost.<br /><br />Thom
 

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Re: Soldering vs, Crimping Volume II

with the exception of the scotchkote thats how I wire up all of the police cars at work and haven't had any problems with my wiring just stuff that was done before. i think scotchlocks should be outlawed.
 

collawash

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Re: Soldering vs, Crimping Volume II

jimr, please move to Washington State and get a job with my department! I did not know wiring a police car could create such a beautiful smoke and fire show in the passenger compartment when I'm driving 100 mph. Our "ASE certified" and "master mechanics" need some help!
 

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our police department used to contract it out and you should see some of the junk work they got. I have been doing setups in house for 3 years and we haven't let the factory smoke out of anything yet due to wiring.
 

Stumpknocker

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Re: Soldering vs, Crimping Volume II

Great job ThomVW! Thanks for your effort. Will try this one tomorrow on my livewell pump harness. Looks like a great solution.
 

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Re: Soldering vs, Crimping Volume II

If properly crimped, soldering doesn’t add anything other than inconvenience and expense to obtain piece of mind…and there is a lot of perceived value in piece of mind. Kinda like an itch, do whatever you gotta to make it feel better. Personally, I’ll take a good double crimp over a crimp and solder any day, regarless of time and cost involved.<br /><br />But good info on the inhibiting of corrosion.<br /><br />Btw, if you shrink wrap the crimp and/or solder connection, how is the usgc ever going to know how you put it together? Maybe it only becomes an issue during failure analysis..."we know why your boat burned!" :)
 

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Thom, Thank you for taking the time and putting forth the effort to educate on the propper way to make a superior electrical connection.<br />If any reasonbly intelligent person does not see that this is far superior to "squeezing a piece of metel around a wire"....I don't think there is any hope for them.<br />And for anyone that is worried about the coast guard removing their controls or opening their helm to inspect the wiring ??????...oh please!<br />This one really gets me.....to somehow imply that if you crimp and solder your wiring.....your boat is going to burn.....that is so laughable.
 

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Re: Soldering vs, Crimping Volume II

very good essay, THOM.. <br /><br />i'm also a crimp then solder guy myself.. <br /><br />also,, if i run new wire,, it's a marine 'tinned' wire..
 

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If properly crimped, soldering doesn’t add anything other than inconvenience and expense to obtain piece of mind
Sorry, I just don't buy this. Soldering (properly) adds to the strength of the connection, fills gaps among the strands and connector which can collect moisture etc, and provides a continuum of contact area between the connector and the wire - even the best crimp job does not guarantee all strands of the wire in continuous contact with the connector.
 

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Re: Soldering vs, Crimping Volume II

solder makes everthing as one.. equal harmany with the ions,eions,protons, morans in the universe..
 

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Crab Bait - Would that include the Hilton sisters? :D
 

chuckz

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Re: Soldering vs, Crimping Volume II

Good job Thom. Something I just learned after nearly thirty years, flip your crimping tool over and dimple the side of the terminal that is solid. If you solder, it probably doesn't make a difference. I was surprised when I was told to crimp the solid side of the terminal, after a little research, I found out you're never too old to learn something new.<br /><br />One other point. For those that argue a solder joint in not a good mechanical joint, you're right. BUT a properly soldered connection if first mechanically connected by a splice or crimp and then soldered.
 

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Re: Soldering vs, Crimping Volume II

(Also, notice that if you use the type crimper that I prefer, like the one in the photo with an anvil on one jaw and a hollow on the other that you should position the connector so that if there is a notable seam in its construction that it is opposite the anvil side of the crimp.)<br /> I also have been taught in electronics class to be careful and not crimp the terminal on the terminal "seam". Putting the anvil on the seam while crimping could cause the terminal to spread. The seam should be laid in the "valley" of the crimp tool to hold it together. The wire strippers and crimpers that you show are worth the money to do a good job and same time. Soldering is also worth the extra effort.
 

peterbo3

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Re: Soldering vs, Crimping Volume II

I use a type of terminal which is crimped then heated. The sleeve contains a hotmelt glue which is activated by a hair dryer or a mini butane torch. I am sure this item originates in the US but I do not have a brand as my boat supply shop sells them in ziplock bags. Have never had a failure in over five years.
 

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Re: Soldering vs, Crimping Volume II

Good post Thom. I'm with the crimp and solder crew also. Just that little bit of insurance always seems to help.....at least with piece of mind.... :)
 

cajun555

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Re: Soldering vs, Crimping Volume II

Great post Thom. Any time I do wiring on the ole boat or car I've always used the crimp and solder and heat shrink. Makes for a professional looking job. I also use it in my refrigeration work, usally any thing over 5 amps. Has worked very well for me for the last 15 years.
 

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Thom - nice work. You might consider one change - over the years I find it distorts the metal connector less & forms a better terminal if you always crimp the "whole" side of the connector not the "split" side. Crimping the split side virtually mangles the metal. If you're useing crimp type connectors that have a full uninteruped sleeve then of course it does'nt matter.
 

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T<br />Nice job but one question was this a marine terminal before your upgraded connection method<br /><br />tommays
 

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I was trained to solder, put together circuit boards and wire together hifi amplifiers by a guy who makes some of the best amplifiers in Australia. The crimp, solder, seal and shrink wrap method Thom describes was absolutely drummed into all employees of this gentleman, so, from my perspective anyway, I will continue to adhere to the method Thom uses. Why? Because it works, and in the low margin world of consumer electronics, having a reputation for building the best can be destroyed overnight by sub-standard wiring. The first thing I did with my boat was to rewire it from stem to stern, the second was to replace all the self tappers with nuts, bolts and washers. By the way, does anyone know of a decent cigarette lighter style 12V outlet that won't rot away at the first sign of saltwater?
 

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My understanding of mandatory crimping by the ABYC is to make sure the connection stays secure. It has nothing to do with cost. They say solder is ok (as a secondary) but won't hold in high heat and is brittle. Boat movement is harder on wiring than other applications like cars, etc. They also say to use AWG tinned flexible multistrand wire and not SAE (auto wire). AWG of the same gauge as SAE is a larger wire. Using an SAE crimping tool on AWG is sized incorrecty and nicks the wire. Double crimp Copper connectors are also specified as the correct method and material. Crimping the insulation is speced too.
 
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