Someone Talk me into or out of this - San Diego with boat

dirtyoldman

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I am renting a house for two weeks at the end of May and early June in San Diego, right off Mission Blvd and the bay. I have a 21' Sea Ray, but the trip is going to be 1200 miles or so. I had been leaning away from taking the boat, as we are taking a little baby also (LOML is on maternity leave). That said, her brother is going with us and we can take the other kids out somewhere, leaving mom and baby to relax if they don't want to go out with us.

It looks like it's got some pretty good protected water, so it shouldn't be too bumpy and miserable. Does anyone have any input? We've taken little babies boating before, keep them covered and in a life jacket. They just sleep anyway.

So if you don't mind - talk me into or out of this!


EDITED!! We changed out minds from Panama City FL to San Diego!! I edited the original post and title!!
 

Chuck1a

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Re: Someone Talk me into or out of this - Panama City FL with boat

Re: Someone Talk me into or out of this - Panama City FL with boat

We hauled our 240SD down a couple years ago. Great time, now I know why people call it a boater paradise. We meet up with a group of Sea Ray owners from ClubSeaRay forum.
 

pine island fred

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You are going to be down here for 2 weeks. You are going to want to be on the water, not sitting on the dock. It is a long tow but bring your boat. FRED
 

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Re: Someone Talk me into or out of this - Panama City FL with boat

Do it!!! It's been a couple years now but we usually hit Destin every year and always end up renting a Pontoon boat...

We're hoping to make it back down there again this coming summer and if we can, it'll definitely be a tough decision of whether to take the Travel Trailer and rent a pontoon boat again or take the boat and stay in a hotel room. If it weren't for the kids, I'd just take the boat and wifey and I could sleep in the cuddy for a couple nights.
 

veritas honus

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Re: Someone Talk me into or out of this - Panama City FL with boat

You Kiddin' me??? Take the boat. You'll be miserable if you don't. I'll up the ante for ya, too. Babies sleep like babies on boats!!!;)... OK, I know from your post that you already knew that:redface:... Just thought it sounded good:rolleyes:. All kidding aside, though, two weeks in Florida during a LOA, you'll be kicking yourself for two years if you go without the boat.

Let me show you in very simple terms:
This is you (in Florida) without your boat...:facepalm:
This is you (in Florida) with your boat...:cool::D

Have a great time!!!
 

scooper77515

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Re: Someone Talk me into or out of this - Panama City FL with boat

The only "con" I can think of (and for me, a BIG con) is do you want to subject your freshwater boat to saltwater?

I have owned a saltwater-used boat, and it is amazing how hard that stuff is on the internal water passages of the engine, and all linkages and wiring in the boat.

So, if you do it, be prepared to do a SERIOUS cleaning inside and out when you get home. Use salt removers on everything, or you will have a mess on your hands in years to come.

If it is already a saltwater boat, by all means, take it. You will be miserable if you don't.
 

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Re: Someone Talk me into or out of this - Panama City FL with boat

When running through the bay follow the green buoys. Bay gets shallow real quick. Be careful going thru the pass into the gulf, when tide is shifting, very strong currents and swells. You could easily spend a 2 or 3 days just exploring the bay, it is huge. If you want to go check out Destin, there is a intercoastal waterway from west bay to destin. Very nice run, about the size of large river. Takes about 45 minutes to run it, watch out for the barges. The other guys are right, if you don't take your boat, you will be miserable the whole time. The area is great for exploring by water. Look on google maps over by the coast south of the pass and you will see shell island. Calm waist deep water on the bay side. Lots of boaters anchor there for the day. Be sure to take snorkeling gear!!!! If taking kids also go check out St Andrews state park and spend a day at the "kiddy pool". It is a protected, calm, mostly shallow man made jetty's along the pass. Great for snorkeling and small children to play in the water. Tons of fish in it. You can also fish on the other side of the barrier wall into the pass. Stay out of Grand Lagoon unless you need fuel or a restaurant (expensive). Not much to see, very crowded and shallow. If you really want to tie up at restaurant to eat, go into the Massalina bayou by the Panama City marina. Back in there is a small restaurant called Bayou Joe's. You can tie up right next to your table and is usually not as crowded.
The chop in the bay varies from day to day and hour by hour. I have seen it smooth as ice in the morning, 2-3 chop by lunch then nice again by dinner. Port St. Joe and mexico beach to the south are beautiful too and less crowded. The intercoastal waterway will take you there also through east bay. Be sure to fuel up, gas harder to find when you head that way.
If your truck is up to the towing challenge, take the boat. It really is a boaters paradise.
 

dirtyoldman

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Re: Someone Talk me into or out of this - Panama City FL with boat

Thanks everyone for the input!

LOML and I just talked it over and decided on San Diego instead. I just booked the rental house for the two weeks. It's only a few hundred miles further and we really enjoyed our last trip there - we didn't feel like we got to spend enough time. It's what we really wanted to do in the first place, but were trying to be cheap...

Anyway - does this change anyone's mind? San Diego is a blast with all the water too - it's something I still want to do. Boat rental is enough to mke me want to bring the boat, but parking is a much more major concern there. In the end though, that's whay we liked it so much - the whole Mission Blvd area is completely walkable and bikeable, I didn't think we'd find that in Florida.

I was concerned about salt water too - but it's only two weeks and it'll get flushed out as soon as I get back.
 

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Re: Someone Talk me into or out of this - Panama City FL with boat

Other than the salt water issue which can be dealt with, you GOTTA take the boat!
 

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Re: Someone Talk me into or out of this - Panama City FL with boat

There are several really protected areas down in the San Diego area. You can cruise around the Mission Bay area or go down near the Navy's amphibious and cruise around across the bay from some pretty big ships. We've gone kayaking with my 8 & 10 year old kids in the bay.

Hopefully you'll beat the big summer groups as the area gets a little crowded at times. So...I'd take the boat for sure. By the way, do a Goggle maps search of the area so you can get a satellite picture of the area and you'll be able to see all the protected areas.
 

dirtyoldman

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Re: Someone Talk me into or out of this - San Diego with boat

So what kind of activities should I look into? I will be staying righ off Mission Blvd and keeping the boat at a marina nearby, in mission bay.

Can anyone talk about some of the destinations that I can look into there? I was considering taking it over to Coronado. Catalina would be fun, but I'm not nearly experienced enough to try that. Can I take the boat out on the open water and around to Coronado? Can I take it fishing in the ocean? What about a trip up to Carlsbad or Encinitas? What restaurants are boating friendly out there?

I decided I'm not going to worry about the salt water. If my boat rots away to nothing because I put it in the salt water and my family was enjoying ourselves - I'll gladly buy another one and let it rot away too!

Are there any special requirements about boating in California that I shoudl know about? Do they ahve a bunch of no wake zones out there?
 

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Re: Someone Talk me into or out of this - San Diego with boat

I decided I'm not going to worry about the salt water. If my boat rots away to nothing because I put it in the salt water and my family was enjoying ourselves -

No worries about the saltwater, dirtyoldman. Some of us have had boats in saltwater for years and don't even realize the benifits of freshwater, except from a garden hose. I may be a little crusty from daily use in saltwater but it hasn't killed me yet. :)

Good luck!....and more important....Enjoy!
 

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The Coranados are only 15 miles from San Diego, and I have caught some MONSTER Yellowtail there..Remember they are in fact in Mexican waters, and you will need Mexican fishing permits I believe...I'll try to check the regs. I always went out of Fishermans landing on Pt. Loma and we always had to have mexican permits.

Catalina would be one hell of a stretch in your boat, IMHO..I would not suggest it. You are looking at 4 plus hours (?) and lots of open sea...
San Clemente Island is closer, but again I wouldnt recommend it in your boat.

Just offshore in the kelp beds (and in the bay) are some calico bass that will give you a fight..Even White Sea bass breeze through there and those are FUN!
 

vinniely

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Re: Someone Talk me into or out of this - San Diego with boat

hey let me know when u here in san diego

GOD BLESS AMERICA
 

ajgraz

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San Diego, so much to see and do. And only 2 weeks to do it!

Let's start close to where you're staying (Mission Blvd). Runs up and down the narrow strip of land between Mission Bay and the Pacific. Mostly bars, dives and hangouts up and down that, but less of a rowdy "college" crowd in Mission Beach than in Pacific Beach to the north.

Map 1:
MissionBay.jpg


Red circled "X" is Dana Landing launch ramp (google map directions to 1900 Dana Landing Rd); nice ramp, this is where you'd put in for Mission Bay. Except for a small area for water skiing (somewhere around the orange oval), ALL of Mission Bay is no-wake (under 5mph). Purple arrow shows the way to the ocean from Mission Bay. That channel is fairly narrow and fairly shallow, so if there's a lot of wind and swell that can get hairy, especially when crowded; speaking of which, avoid using that channel between 11am and 3pm, as it will be packed like sardines with sailboats. Seaworld is right beside Mission Bay Park, so if you boat along that you can see it from the water, you can even watch the dolphin shows from your boat.

BTW, grocery stores, some decent eateries, and the place to gas your boat (to avoid marina prices) is up on Grand Avenue, between the ocean and the intersection with Ingraham St.

Mission Beach (on the ocean at Mission Bay Park) is nice, but can get crowded. Bay Park (blue arrow) is a real nice place for young kids, lots of playground and cookout area, also a good breeze makes this a place where the stunt kite guys show their stuff; the water there is terrible though, very fetid and doesn't flush well. If you've got young kids who want to get in the water but the ocean waves are too much, Crown Point beach (green arrow) is good and tends to be far less crowded than the ocean beaches, it is sheltered but the water gets a decent flushing out. Another spot for the (older) kids is Belmont Park (blue circle); nice old 20's vintage roller coaster and other rides, minigolf and arcade, surfing simulator, all kind$ of $tuff for the adventurou$.

All of Mission Bay is encircled by wide, well-marked bike lanes and paths, and is a very good place to bicycle.

Map 2:
MissionBay2.jpg


If you want to put in San Diego Bay, google map directions to "Shelter Island" or Shoreline Park". VERY nice, 8-wide ramp here with docks, plenty of parking.

Orange arrow is the way down the bay. You'll pass Coronado NAS, the embarcadero/waterfront area (green oval), the Ballpark, downtown, the Coronado Bridge. Further south are the naval bases, some industry. South of where the arrow ends is all no-wake (almost the entire rest of the bay is WOT), and can get VERY shallow if you don't stick to the marked channels. ONLY 2 reasons to go way down there that time of year: 1) There is a pod of green sea turtles that lives way down there, 2) Bonefish (yes, bonefish as in from Florida) run down there that time of year.

Embarcadero (green oval) is mostly a tourist trap, but there are some things worth seeing there, like the Midway Museum (carrier full of vintage warplanes you can board and tour), some other boats ships/yachts you can tour. Ballpark is just south of the convention center near East Village, if you want to catch a ballgame. I've also circled Balboa Park (blue), great place to walk around, some good museums there, and of course the San Diego Zoo.

Red arrow leads to the ocean. If you want to go to the Coronados Islands, they're about 15 miles south of the SD Bay inlet, about 7 miles offshore of Mexico:

Map 3:
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You can easily see them from the Bay, no problems navigating there. As someone said, you'd need temporary Mexico license to fish there.

Fishing that time of year in the bays will be primarily spotted bass, maybe some sand bass. Into the ocean, and kelp you'll get into some bigger sand bass and some calico bass, maybe white sea bass. There's bigger and more varied stuff at the Coronados, but frankly May/June is too late for the Spring halibut run, and too early for any yellowtail or tuna runs. You'd probably be better off sticking to the kelp beds (1-2 miles off Point Loma, just west of the mouth of SD Bay) for your fishing jollies.
 
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