JRJ said:RubberFrog said:
My 2 year old granddaughter likewise. Hello
JB said:
PW2 said:JRJ said:RubberFrog said:
My 2 year old granddaughter likewise. Hello
Well, if you react to that by spanking the kid, you'll get more of that behavior, not less of it.
Spanking is the tool of lazy parents.
RubberFrog said:PW2 said:JRJ said:RubberFrog said:
My 2 year old granddaughter likewise. Hello
Well, if you react to that by spanking the kid, you'll get more of that behavior, not less of it.
Spanking is the tool of lazy parents.
So now you're a behavioral psychologist as well as a communist?
OldMercsRule said:Haut Medoc states:
Methinks that there is more to this story than you/he are tellin'......
Hey Bro Haut, I sure hope so. I only stated things that I knew from my own observations, (and I tried to keep the off topic rant relatively brief, yet make my point). Divorces are a horrible and destructive experience, (especially: with small children). These types of disputes are where family members sometimes try to use the power of the state to effect the outcome of their respective positions in the divorce. I try not to read minds, so I left out some of my conclusions that were not verifiable. I just wanted to demonstrate the downside of having the State pick victims and sort out and punish certian behaviors within the nuclear family. If you are actually a "Libertarian" as apposed to a typical Seattle Lib with a nuanced philosophy designed to be 'cute' or stylish, you should be as concerned about the growth of the very intrusive "Nanny State" as your conservative brother is. Respectfully, JR
Haut said:OldMercsRule said:Haut Medoc states:
Methinks that there is more to this story than you/he are tellin'......
Hey Bro Haut, I sure hope so. I only stated things that I knew from my own observations, (and I tried to keep the off topic rant relatively brief, yet make my point). Divorces are a horrible and destructive experience, (especially: with small children). These types of disputes are where family members sometimes try to use the power of the state to effect the outcome of their respective positions in the divorce. I try not to read minds, so I left out some of my conclusions that were not verifiable. I just wanted to demonstrate the downside of having the State pick victims and sort out and punish certian behaviors within the nuclear family. If you are actually a "Libertarian" as apposed to a typical Seattle Lib with a nuanced philosophy designed to be 'cute' or stylish, you should be as concerned about the growth of the very intrusive "Nanny State" as your conservative brother is. Respectfully, JR
Fair enough.....
I think that WBW has a good guideline....
I never hit my son....
My father never hit me....
My mother did though...
One of my sisters would cringe & cry....
Me & my other sister would laugh at my mom when she hit us, & she would get even madder.....
That reminds me of my uncontrolable laughter when my Mom was usin' the ol' wooden spoon on me, (my Dad did not use physical disipline either). She broke every wooden spoon in the house! Still couldn't stop laughing, (tried a li'l snivelin', that's where I learned that tactic), but my brother n' sister knew I wasn't a sniveler and made me laugh more.
My sister refused to cry.....
I do not like to see it in public & if I see anyone give more than one swat, i will say something.....
I guess that means that I am against public spanking & would support a law against it.....
That is more of a Liberal reply then a Libertarian one: Bro Haut. I don't like any of those type of laws unless the state assumes ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL BEHAVIOR OF ALL CHILDREN.
Spanking or hitting a child in public is not your parental right......
Agree on this, (and I don't like public punishment either). I also don't like it when two "B.tt Pirates" are slippin each other the tongue in public either, but I don't want a law against it. (The sexist in me doesn't mind a couple o' Lesbos smoochin', 'long as they don't look like Rosie in all). That said, I just don't like the State getting envolved in this type of stuff: PERIOD. They are far to big and powerfull and suck up far to much resources, and take far to much energy to defend against if you happen to get in their cross hairs.
There are better ways to modify behavior...
If you ever look at someones face when they are hitting someone else, there is always anger there....
I believe that hitting makes the hitter feel better & therefore is not a justification.......IMHO
Li'l 'dangerious' mind readin' here: Bro Haut. You may be right, (in fact it is likely that you are right), but the risk of the government over playin' their hand is far too great: IMHO, ah heck maybe: IN MY NOT SO HUMBLE OPINION. I guess I'm a li'l closer to Libertarian views from the right then you are from the left, eh Bro Haut?
Haut said:I do not like to see it in public & if I see anyone give more than one swat, i will say something.....
I guess that means that I am against public spanking & would support a law against it.....
That is more of a Liberal reply then a Libertarian one: Bro Haut. I don't like any of those type of laws unless the state assumes ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL BEHAVIOR OF ALL CHILDREN.
This is about parents behavior, not children's behavior...
Just like the kid who whines when the parent won't buy something...
There are underlying issues with regard to behavoir that will require more than spanking to modify that type of behavior....
If the law says "Don't hit your kids in public"
Then don't or do....
& risk the consequences....
Spoken like a true MIND READIN' SEATTLE LIBERAL, (don't think your Libertarian Bro's would like your reasonin' here: Bro Haut). Liberals always grow the government because of the "CHILDREN", (the most innocent of all potential 'victims'): Bro Haut. That's why the California Libs are growing the reach of the "nany state" government that precipitated my rant.
Spanking or hitting a child in public is not your parental right......
Agree on this, (and I don't like public punishment either). I also don't like it when two "B.tt Pirates" are slippin each other the tongue in public either, but I don't want a law against it. (The sexist in me doesn't mind a couple o' Lesbos smoochin', 'long as they don't look like Rosie in all). That said, I just don't like the State getting envolved in this type of stuff: PERIOD. They are far to big and powerfull and suck up far to much resources, and take far to much energy to defend against if you happen to get in their cross hairs.
Seeing a couple of 'brokebacks' kissing in public, while I find it gross, is between two consenting adults.....
The child getting hit is kinda one-sided....
Yah Bro Haut, How big a police force would you like us to have to deal with this li'l problem you've identified here? 'coarse you wouldn't mind payin' the taxes, (n' forcin' the rest of us to pay lots o' taxes), for all the Cops, Judges, Prosecutors, and prisons for such a justified cause in all; right Bro Haut? Heck, we should jus' let our legislators take all our money: right Bro Haut? Ever think about one of those concepts called: personal responsibility: Bro Haut. (Hint: it's a basic, foundational Libertarian concept)! As Nancy Galore would state: "It's about THE CHILDREN"!
If you ever look at someones face when they are hitting someone else, there is always anger there....
I believe that hitting makes the hitter feel better & therefore is not a justification.......IMHO
Li'l 'dangerious' mind readin' here: Bro Haut. You may be right, (in fact it is likely that you are right),
You can, (not always), tell what is on someone's mind by their facial expression....
but the risk of the government over playin' their hand is far too great: IMHO, ah heck maybe: IN MY NOT SO HUMBLE OPINION. I guess I'm a li'l closer to Libertarian views from the right then you are from the left, eh Bro Haut?
No, I don't think so......
Haut said:Not quite sure why you are harpin' on the Libertarian, mind reading thing....but
I follow my beliefs, not any paticular party...
If I happen to agree with something that a party embraces, it doesn't necessarily make me a member of that party...
Now, if it were OK for me to hit you when I saw you hitting your kid, we wouldn't need that law...
Yah Bro Haut, How big a police force would you like us to have to deal with this li'l problem you've identified here? 'coarse you wouldn't mind payin' the taxes, (n' forcin' the rest of us to pay lots o' taxes), for all the Cops, Judges, Prosecutors, and prisons for such a justified cause in all; right Bro Haut? Heck, we should jus' let our legislators take all our money: right Bro Haut? Ever think about one of those concepts called: personal responsibility: Bro Haut. (Hint: it's a basic, foundational Libertarian concept)! As Nancy Galore would state: "It's about THE CHILDREN
Spoken like a true Conservative/Rehub...
Not, "Is it right or wrong?", but "How will it affect my wallet?"....*ROLLEYES*
If it makes you feel better, you can refer to me as "Comrade Haut" from now on..
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