Spark Plug Photos.....Lean Condition?

KCLOST

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Take a look at a few photos of my spark plugs off of my 86' Merc. 175. Keep in mind, I'm running pre-mix....<br /><br />The first photo is of 1,3,5 and the second shows 2,4,6.. In each photo the bottom cylinder plug is at the far left and top on the far right...<br /><br />
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<br /><br />It looks like I have a lean condition, at the top cylinders and maybe on #4 also... 2 & 4 have a little darker color to them, especially #4.. It has what looks like carbon deposits which can be scraped off with a little work...<br />These photos were taken the next morning after running the motor on the muffs, so they sat in the block for about 15 hours (if that matters). <br />Thought I'd ask for your input, since I'm trying to isolate a possible hotter than normal WOT temp issue.<br /><br />Compression was checked just prior to running the motor yesterday. and all checked at 115-120psi...
 

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Re: Spark Plug Photos.....Lean Condition?

Oh, I forgot to mention, that the engine runs pretty hot at no-wake speeds also... My temp guage is reading between 3/4 up to almost at the H, at no-wake, cruising and WOT.<br /><br />Water pressure, is 5 psi at 700 rpm, 10-12psi at 1000rpm and up to 25psi at WOT.... So I'm sure the water pump is ok... Poppet valve is working also as I just tested it with a new spring, grommet etc., and stats are ok... New head gaskets were installed this spring... No evidence of water on the plugs.. The photos show them untouched after removal from the engine...
 

btatum

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Re: Spark Plug Photos.....Lean Condition?

plugs do have the look of a lean condition but the deposits on the plug (center) in the bottom photo look more like fuel deposits (ie: fuel system additives). some cheap additives that are meant to give you more horsepower can cause some adverse conditions. if you are running other additives in your fuel you may want to ck with the manufacturer to see what, if any problems this may cause with your fuel mixture. additives will cause a higher burn temp of the fuel which could cause a higher engine temp on top of a lean condition. (just a thought)
 

ZaQ

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Re: Spark Plug Photos.....Lean Condition?

WOT = Wide Open Throttle??????
 

KCLOST

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Re: Spark Plug Photos.....Lean Condition?

WOT=wide open throttle yes...<br /><br />The more I think about that middle cylinder, the more I'm worried about that being rust (water leak at exhaust gasket?)... But that plug could have been the same one that came from a different cylinder that had previous water intrusion before I replaced the head gaskets this spring... <br /><br />I'm not using any additives at this time... I have used seafoam in the past, but not in the last few months...<br />All the plugs have a light to moderate grey ring on the insulator.. I will replace the plugs but wanter your opinions on their appearances, before I do a carb rebuild.. Will rust burn off, or once it's on there will it stay?
 

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Re: Spark Plug Photos.....Lean Condition?

Put a different plug in #4 run it for while and check to see if it too is showing rust. Other than that the plugs appear fine( from what the pictures show)
 

KCLOST

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Re: Spark Plug Photos.....Lean Condition?

What about no oil on #1 and #2? Lean possibly?
 

FlyBoyMark

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Re: Spark Plug Photos.....Lean Condition?

White dusty looking deposit is lean condition, very clean plugs means water blasting going on in the cylinder
 

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Re: Spark Plug Photos.....Lean Condition?

My 02...<br />How many hours do the plugs have on them? Running at idle (low speed jets)on the muff will mask the real condition. You won't burn up an engine at idle speed no matter how lean it is...short of the jet being completely plugged and restricting all fuel and lube. Have you checked the compression? <br /><br />Maybe my eyes are deceiving me here. The plugs don't look hot or lean to me (they look better than most) but the center one is rich...and it isn't that "bad". I can't tell from the pic if that is rust. If water is getting into the cyl it usually shows on the plug in beads. Remove the plug immediately after running and check. It's easy to see, there is little guessing about water being present. <br /><br />You cannot tell if the pump is working 100% just by looking at the stream. It doesn't always work that way. Change the impeller if you are having heating issues.
 

KCLOST

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Re: Spark Plug Photos.....Lean Condition?

Bill, There were no water beads on the plugs... Which eases my mind... You're seeing in the pics exactly what I saw when they were pulled from the engine... What I wonder about is why half of them have a small droplet of oil on them and the other's don't... Why?<br /><br />As I posted earlier, the water pressures are good. So I'm sure the pump is fine.. Impeller was changed late last year... All the cylinders have compression in the 115-120 psi range...<br /><br />However, the plugs have a lot of hours on them... <br /><br />And remember, I'm running premix...<br /><br />I'm not, and never have had an overheat condition, but when the guage reads almost at the max (and I mean almost!), it makes me wonder... This however has always been the case when at WOT... The problem is, my guage doesn't show numbers, so I don't know exactly what the head temps are... Just yesterday, I did hold my hand under the tell-tail just after a wide open run while at no-wake rpms and the water was hot, I could hold my hand there for about four seconds. I also did this on the head just after pulling out of the lake.. And I could hold it on there for about 5-6 seconds before I had to say "that's hot enough". So things were diffinitely warm but not scalding... This was just as or after the guage read about 3/4 up before I pulled it out of the water.. <br /><br />I need to mention that since I changed the head gaskets this spring it seems that at no-wake/cruising speeds have resulted in much higher temps than before.. Before the change, the guage read right at the middle or below at those speeds. Now however, it gradually climbs way up there.. The head gaskets I installed had smaller water passage holes than the originals... I was assured by Mercury that this was a design change made in the late 1980's... Maybe they wanted this motor to run hotter at lower rpms? Since my stats are new, I've eliminated those as the culprit, as well as the water pump, and poppet valve.
 

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Re: Spark Plug Photos.....Lean Condition?

Anyone know of a guage with numbers on it that I can buy that will work with the temp. sender that is currently on the engine?
 

jim dozier

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Re: Spark Plug Photos.....Lean Condition?

Don't look at plugs you've been running on the muffs. Go out and run the engine in the water under the condition (rpm) you're investigating and kill the engine as quickly as practical and then pull the plugs. I don't believe you get a good idea of whats going on in an unloaded condition. The plugs don't look bad to me, but run em at speed and look again. You don't need plugs to tell you if your idle mixture is off use your ears and the idle adjustment screw. Plugs will help at mid and full throttle where a lean condition would be a bad thing.
 

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Re: Spark Plug Photos.....Lean Condition?

Your plugs don't look all at that different from mine other than you have some build up on a couple of them. Mine have some oil residue on them but are always very clean with little or no deposits whatsoever on the plugs. <br /><br />Your 5 psi at idle and 25 psi at WOT is what stuck me as interesting. I've got the same motor and anything under 10 psi at idle and it's time to change the water pump. As for the top end, I can watch the Poppet dump when the pressure gets up around 16-17 psi so I've never seen a pressure above these figures on my gauge.
 

KCLOST

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Re: Spark Plug Photos.....Lean Condition?

Well, actually the 5 psi figure is with the t-stats opened. If I just start up the motor it runs around 11-12 psi at idle..
 
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