Starter issue.

[coorslitedude]

I have a '74 Glastron 302 Ford V8, Volvo Penta 270 out drive. Have a problem with the starter. I replaced the old heavy starter with the separate solenoid with a new starter with soleniod. Still have problem with starting right up at times to no start with solenoid clicking. Seem to start ok when it sets, then nothing. Hit the key a few times or let it set for a while, then starts. The place I bought the starter from said I didn't need the old separate solenoid because of the new one included with starter. I hooked everything up to the new starter and had the positive wire from the coil left. He said I didn't need it with the new setup. I hooked up pos. cable from battery to large post on starter. The ignition switch wire to one small post. And a couple other positive wires to the other small post. New battery cables and battery. Is this right? And why am I still getting intermittent starts? Hope this makes sense.

 

[Bifflefan]

Re: Starter issue.

I replaced the old heavy starter with the separate solenoid with a new starter with soleniod.

Did you remove the old sol. from the system?
If not did you use a jumper wire from the cable terminal to the spade term to engage the starter? If so then its not going to work right as that starter is not made to run with a jumper wire and can "self energize" causing the starter to run all the time.

It sounds like you have a bad solenoid (the original one) thats giving you an intermitent no start, or dirty batt connections. If you havent yet, clean all the conections, even if they "look good".

Then use the right type of starter and solenoid.

 

[CheapboatKev]

Re: Starter issue.

have you double-triple checked your connections?
I would say clean your posts and cables well, but they are all new..

 

[Bifflefan]

Re: Starter issue.

I hooked everything up to the new starter and had the positive wire from the coil left.

I need to read better.

That wire is the one that gives 12+ volts to the points while cranking so it will start easier. You do need it. unless your running electronic ign.

So just to be clear, the old sol is no longer in the system?

 

[searay3]

Re: Starter issue.

Adults only sticky at the top of the forum.....#2.

 

[coorslitedude]

Re: Starter issue.

Old solenoid is gone. A positive wire from the coil that went to the old solenoid is not connected to anything.

 

[coorslitedude]

Re: Starter issue.

Also following the sticky, there is no slave solenoid or relay. All wires from the ign. switch and others go straight to the solenoid on the starter.

 

[searay3]

Re: Starter issue.

I'm not sure what you have, but it doesn't sound like 90% of the boats that are out there. I suppose the wires could go straight to the solenoid, but they should go thru the cannon plug that separates the engine harness from the helm. If you have it hooked up that way, you will have to chase down the rest of the circuits and wire accordingly. Without looking at it, and no standard to go by, everything here is just guessing how it COULD be wired rather than how it should be...if you have an engine manual and a meter, you should be able to figure it out...good luck....I would look into getting back to to stock setup before it gets butchered up to the point nothing seems to work...

 

[coorslitedude]

Re: Starter issue.

I traded this boat for a 12 ' rowboat and it runs, so that's a start. The guys son thought he was a marine mechanic and really butchered some things up. He bypassed the fuel pump with an electric one, still there. Bypassed the tilt relays with a 2 way switch, fixed that. And bypassed the seawater pump with some electric pump and took it off and didn't bother to tell me the original pump was bad, currently replacing. I'm trying to get things back to stock when I find it. This is just my latest find about the starter problem and the slave solenoid or relay that's gone. I'm sure i'll find more. But here, there is always someone to help.

 

[coorslitedude]

Re: Starter issue.

I forgot to ask, where does the pos. wire from the coil go to now?

 

[searay3]

Re: Starter issue.

most Important.....You are using MARINE starter/alternator and carb, right?? 74 ford will have points (If he hasn't changed that). The + side of the coil goes to a resistor wire that is 12v switched. There is a non-resistor wire that goes from the starter to the + side as well that gives a full 12 volts only while cranking. The ign switch start wire also goes to the solenoid. I know I have seen a starter circuit posted here. For a points type ignition, it's pretty generic. Try a search. You have a big job ahead of you, but it's doable. Look at some the earlier manuals for a general idea of how it's supposed to be wired. I'm not a Volvo/OMC guy but your issue will come when the specialty stuff comes into play (esa module). The shifting mechanism etc. That is manufacture specific. For the volvo/omc experts you need to give a little more info. Engine serial number/model. Could be a 19XX OMC married to a volvo drive or who knows?

 

[coorslitedude]

Re: Starter issue.

The non resistor wire goes from the positive side of the coil to the starter solenoid? That's the wire that is not connected from the coil.

 

[searay3]

Re: Starter issue.

Yes. There is a non resistor wire that connects to the R terminal (I believe, could be B?). S terminal is for the switch in 'start' position, R is only energized while the solenoid is engaged and gives battery voltage to the coil while cranking...do not wire it where the non resistor wire is hot all the time. Your points won't last long..