starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

[zackhouck]

Hey ya'll I've got a 75 hp '63 Johnson motor, model number V4S-12 on '60 Larson V Haul.
Im assuming this is the starter, and it wont go up to engage the fly wheel there for it wont start. :facepalm:


I'm so close to get this thing back on the water. haha I got it last fall and it hadnt been ran in years.Not bad I guess for the starter not even working 6 months ago.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=3935695589374

Here's a video of it..please tell me what you guess think I'd really like any help that anyone could possibly give me.. I'm got a Jeep and when I know some stuff but I dont know anything about boats really.

 

[zackhouck]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

My boat and Jeep



Can anyone please tell me why I cant edit my posts??

 

[Barnacle_Bill]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

Videos like that can add a lot to helping people help you but the music does absolutely nothing to help. Thoroughly clean the shaft that the bendix rides up and down on and lightly lube it. You should be able to easily turn the bendix up and then it will drop back down on its own when you let go.

 

[zackhouck]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

Well I'm sorry about the music, I didnt add it. I had the radio on sitting on the front bench when I was working and I didnt mean for it to block out the sounds of the motor. I'm going to assume the bendix is the thing that will engage into the flywheel..If so, I've tried lifting it up but that top blot it only move about a 1/8-1/4" Nothing too much and not anywhere close to engaging nor can I turn/spin it.

 

[zackhouck]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

And another question,, are my throttles in the right spot for trying to start it? I'm sorry I'm still a noob and unsure about a lot of things. haha

 

[stevenmurray1987]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

I had this same problem.

i noticed it was getting stuck, but would pop up when i hit the starter housing with a heavy wrench. so i took out the plug wires (so the engine wouldn't start) then turned the key and hit it with a wrench while my buddy shot wd-40 inside the starter. it worked for a year and then i had to lube it up again.

 

[boobie]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

You shouldn't be using those muffs on it. The mtr required a special flushing attachment that went on the water pick up underneath the anti-ventilation plate. You best bet is to put it a big barrel.

 

[zackhouck]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

Oh crap so that is doing absoulely nothing for me with the water..so I just need to get a huge tub and fill 'er up?

 

[zackhouck]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

So I think my Bendix is the problem because I can only move it forward/towards the front of the boat about a 1/4" and it wont pull up..Is it supposed to spin up? Like should I try spinning it up?

 

[stylesabu]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

inside the bendix(the gear that engages flywheel gear) is a spiral cut groove.the speed of starter motor spins it up into flywheel gear. when starter motor quits turning it dropps back down.taking it apart will explain everything, the shaft is dirty,rusted or worn. and you will notice bendix gear should spin freely by hand one way but not the other.bendix used to be available separately.try penitrating oil first

 

[zackhouck]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

Like wd-40 or pb blaster or what?

 

[boobie]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

Yes, get a barrel so the water level is the same as when the boat is in the water and not running. Try some pb blaster but don't over do it.

 

[zackhouck]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

Okay, so a bit of pb got it to engage, and now the flywheel turns. But it does not start. I can hear the exhaust pop out so I know somethings moving in there..but I really dont think all four of the cylinders are firing..My guess would be its only two. ANy suggestions on where to go know? plugs and wires? What should be my gaping be I'm sure its at .03 right now..if I remember correctly.And the wires are pretty crappy..but I dont know where to get knew ones..should I try the spark on the block trick?

Is this the screw I take out to lube the bendix?


& I know you said I needed a barrel, but my dad didnt listen to me and wanted me to take a video of it..I guess he had a bet with someone I could get it to run.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=3941877343914

And thank you guys all for the help its been so great!

 

[boobie]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

NO !! That screw holds one of the field coils in the starter. The bendix is on TOP of the starter and it's a gear. I would highly recommend that you get an OEM Factory Service manual if you are going to do the work yourself.

 

[zackhouck]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

And that's why I ask first. But okay I'll buy one today..

 

[zackhouck]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

well I got a manual, and from looking my spark plugs I dont think either of the spark plugs on the left side of the boat are getting juice to them..I tried the spark test by self and did see and marking on the block where the spark wouldve jumped. I figured the test needed you too look for it sparking and not a mark but I figured it was worth a shot.

 

[Barnacle_Bill]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

Get something like this. http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_Spark-Tester-In-S&G-Tool-Aid_22985359-P_N4420D_T%7CGRP2107_____

 

[zackhouck]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

Well I ran into the Dave (the crack heads dad) and he said it used to run 5 years ago, before the Condenser went out.. (which a professional shop replaced) Also he said that it used to die on the water every once and a wile..but didnt say anything more than that. I dont know if that info will help at all but I thought I would just throw that out there.

 

[zackhouck]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

I got one of those testers and tested it and found that I was getting little to no spark. So took off the ignition wires and distributor cap..and there is no doubt I I need new ignition wires and I was wondering If this is the kinda kit I would need..
http://www.iboats.com/Boat-Motor-Sp...5796706--session_id.731011837--view_id.172285
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=SME185225_0215382980

And also how do i get the little metal nipple things out of the distributor cap? are they twist out or pull out?

Thanks for the help so far guys.

 

[zackhouck]

Re: starter will not go up and engage flywheel - 63 johnson

Well my dad wanted to him and I told him the old wires wist out. And well he twisted the stop and not the bottom.
Will this effect the spark adversely? You can clearly see the one that was twisted on. :facepalm: