Starting my 59' Starcraft flooring project!

IndyFish

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I've read tons of this sites forums but never been a member! So I'm new to the posting world.

I have a 1959 Starcraft 16' JET model (from the tag). It orriginally had a dash, windshield, and merc super thunderbolt 400. The front was covered more like a run-a-bout, and had two bench seats. I've decided to take the boat in a different direction as I do not ski and have no kids. The boat has actually been in the family since new! (so it will be interesting what some family thinks when done.)
After being out on the lake a couple times on it (before cutting it up) it was pretty easy to see that it was not a fishing boat, and I am in fact a fisherman. So as I said before I don't ski and have no kids therefor it shall become something useful.

I've serviced and rebuilt quite a few motors, but never built a boat from scratch like this. It is pretty wide and should make a worthy fishing vessle. My thoughts;
-Solid seat pedistals in front and back (obviously swivels and such on them)
-removable center seat
-Battery/gas boxes left rear that will double as a work bench for driver (just a tiller on back)
-Long livewell along side on the right middle (give that middle person as much room as possible)
-Some storage below (wet storage is fine) and storage in bow

I've been in a couple of self made bass boats and their floors are always too high, making it terribly unstable. What I would like to do is only bring the floor up about 4-6'' in the back and run it one level forward. I understand that the front will be more narrow by keeping it lower, but I feel that it's a worthy sacrafice for stability. To give you an idea I want to stay BELOW the side ribs in the back.

I think that I'm pretty set on using 1/2 plywood coated with resin and cloth (then carpet) for the deck <--any thoughts?
I'm told that treated lumbed will severly eat the aluminum (some say within weeks pitting and oxidization occur) so I'm really wondering what to do about the framing. Do I just use treated and wrap it with something where it contacts the boat?!? Or use regular and spend a week resin sealing the whole thing?

Also any thoughts on how to attatch/make the framework? I've seen it sheet metal screwed to the ribs (with short screws!). But should I make long runners down the sides? or just do framing across the width of the boat and tie em all together?

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AJGeorge

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Re: Starting my 59' Starcraft flooring project!

Welcome Indy. Very cool old Starcrft there and if you don't know allready there is a wealth of info here especialy if you make your way over to the Starcraft section of the manufacturers forums. There have been several Jet rebuilds over there and some into fishing rigs. I am sure some of those guys will be directing you there with some links soon. Good luck thanks for the pics and keep those coming to.
 

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Re: Starting my 59' Starcraft flooring project!

Read thru some of the threads here:
Starcraft Rebuilds and Restorations

There is lots of good info in there ^^^, lots of options. Do lots more research before you start, use a good exterior grade plywood, and seal it w/ epoxy, and any exposed wood covered by epoxy has to be covered, w/ paint, vinyl, spar varnish etc. Epoxy is not UV stable.

Best of luck w/ your project, welcome to iboats & the Starmada
 

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With all you plan to do to your boat, wood framing will be heavy. I'd suggest aluminum framing.

Pedestal seats don't do well with 1/2" decking, I recommend at least 5/8".

No need to fiberglass anything on your boat, epoxy resin is one of the best sealers and it doesn't need glass cloth to strengthen it.
 

IndyFish

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Re: Starting my 59' Starcraft flooring project!

With all you plan to do to your boat, wood framing will be heavy. I'd suggest aluminum framing.

Pedestal seats don't do well with 1/2" decking, I recommend at least 5/8".

No need to fiberglass anything on your boat, epoxy resin is one of the best sealers and it doesn't need glass cloth to strengthen it.



What aluminum thickness do you think would be adequate? I will check the local scrap yard this weekend. Thanks for all the great input guys! I kinda feel stupid for not exploring the site better and funding the whole section on starcraft projects!
 

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What aluminum thickness do you think would be adequate?

1-1/2" x 1/16" (.063 gauge) will work, but a lot of people like to use the 1/8" (.125).

Scrap yards and recycle centers are the best places to buy aluminum.
 

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1-1/2" x 1/16" (.063 gauge) will work, but a lot of people like to use the 1/8" (.1250).

Scrap yards and recycle centers are the best places to buy aluminum.

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IndyFish

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Re: Starting my 59' Starcraft flooring project!

It's ok. I figured 1/4 inch was a tad overkill!
 

IndyFish

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Does anyone have good pictures of framing out a boat like this? I'm just looking for some aluminum or wood framing jobs before the deck is on!
 

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0.125=1/8" not sure about using .1250.. Sounds pretty thing to me..:confused:
Jigngrub are you saying to use 1-1/2" flat bar or 1-1/2"x1-1/2"x1/16" angle? Just asking...:lol:

Welcome to i-boats IndyFish..
Very nice looking boat..
 

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0.125=1/8" not sure about using .1250.. Sounds pretty thing to me..:confused:
Jigngrub are you saying to use 1-1/2" flat bar or 1-1/2"x1-1/2"x1/16" angle? Just asking...:lol:

Welcome to i-boats IndyFish..
Very nice looking boat..

When talking about angle you only have to give the leg dimension once if both are equal, and yes I meant 1-1/2"x1-1/2"x1/16" angle.

1/16" and 1/8" thick angle both can be thin if you try to span it too far without bracing it... and even when braced properly it can still seem a little flimsy until you fasten the decking to it and stiffen everything up.
 

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Very nice boat !

Another option to consider for your aluminum is a metal fabricator in your neck of the woods. I am sure there are many in a city that large. If you look in phone book or google I am betting will find some companies and then you can check out their websites to see if they do aluminum and in the gauges you are looking for.

A phone call or visit pleading your case may find you a sympathectic ear. If you find someone willing to help odds are the material will still be clean, probably a bunch of "drops" laying around and they may even just give it to you free. If they are very nice....maybe even a boater then they also will have brake presses, plasma cutters, iron workers, punches, etc. and offer to help you further. Cant hurt eh.

My company is a fabricator and we have locals stopping by asking for help. Our shop supt is a boater and fisherman so most of time he helps people out.

Good luck.
 

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Does anyone have good pictures of framing out a boat like this? I'm just looking for some aluminum or wood framing jobs before the deck is on!

Give me the width of your boat at the widest deck level and I'll draw you up an aluminum angle framing plan if you'd like. I'll also need to know how far apart your ribs are spaced.
 

IndyFish

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Re: Starting my 59' Starcraft flooring project!

Thanks for the assistance! 52" is going to be max width at deck level, and ribs are 10.5 '' apart (center to center).

I was hoping to run down the length of the boat on either side, then just cross brase them across the middle every other rib. I look forward to your input! I plan on going to get 50' of 1''x.1250'' (1/8) this weekend. I found a metal yard by me that will sell it at a buck a foot. 50' isnt going to be enough to complete the whole project going every other rib, but it will get me started! Maybe even hit the scrap yard and find something like a beam or channel to head strait up the middle as well? (they want crazy money for new channel right now)
 

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And thanks for all the help everyone! This site and it's members are truly amazing. Even when someone has something negative to say they usually do it in a polite manner.
 

IndyFish

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Re: Starting my 59' Starcraft flooring project!

Another question to throw out there for everyone! I searched around the forums but couldn't really come up with anything.... and I think I know the BEST answer for the question.
How do I find the angle of the floor? It's been a couple of years since I had her in the water and have no idea how she sat in the water. I don't want to go about building a floor that is sloped backwards!

My common sense tells me to haul it down to the lake and float her, with a level mark what is true slope to make it "flat". Obviously this won't be accounting for motor, weight distributed during the build, etc. I found a couple pictures of close era JETs that kind of gives me the impression that the "side rib" (I'm not hip on boat terms) kind of marks the floor in the back and draw your line along the rib taking it across the hull when it "rib" starts to curve upwards. <---??
 

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Re: Starting my 59' Starcraft flooring project!

Another question to throw out there for everyone! I searched around the forums but couldn't really come up with anything.... and I think I know the BEST answer for the question.
How do I find the angle of the floor? It's been a couple of years since I had her in the water and have no idea how she sat in the water. I don't want to go about building a floor that is sloped backwards!

My common sense tells me to haul it down to the lake and float her, with a level mark what is true slope to make it "flat". Obviously this won't be accounting for motor, weight distributed during the build, etc. I found a couple pictures of close era JETs that kind of gives me the impression that the "side rib" (I'm not hip on boat terms) kind of marks the floor in the back and draw your line along the rib taking it across the hull when it "rib" starts to curve upwards. <---??

When working on a boat you throw your level away, you'll run yourself crazy and will be building and then tearing things out trying to use a level.

Boats are put together by measuring.

Mark where you want the top of the deck in one spot, then measure down from the top of the gunwale to that spot... then take that dimension and measure down from the gunwale all the way around the boat in about one foot spaces and that will be the top of your deck/floor.

If you try to take it to the lake with a level the hull is going to sit differently in the water everytime you move... it would make a great video to watch of somebody trying to do that though.:laugh::lol::laugh:

As for your deck framing plan, there's no way I can draw up a framing plan only using 50' of material... you'll probably need to stick to your own design for that.
 
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