Stereo question

magster65

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I want to put a car stereo in my boat (Yes it's dry and warm inside). My question is about speakers. I want to use a home speakers (small ones w/sub due to space limitations) and they're all rated at 8 ohms. All the car stereo equipment is rated at 4. I know it'll work but what's the difference? Is it they just need more power to make them work? Thanks.
 

Jack Shellac

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Re: Stereo question

Two 8 ohm speakers connected in parallel will give 4 ohms of circuit resistance. I'm no expert on stereos, but I believe this is how they work this out.
 

DaleT

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If I remember correctly you can go over on the resistance but under will destroy the amplifier in the unit. The follwing site has a brief description that should help.<br /> web page
 

cpasseno03

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Jack is right, but if you hook them in parallel it would no longer be stereo! thats no good. The impedance of the speaker is supposed to match that which the radio is rated for. The idea is that when they are similar they will resonate. or something along those lines, its been a while. Man youve really got me trying to think now, but nothing happens :confused: heck I thought I remembered the way my physics teacher explained this exact problem but I think I may have been napping during half... Ill get back if I straighten things out in my head...<br />Craig
 

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That's pretty much true. The 8 ohm speakers on a 4 ohm system will not be very loud. If you use 4 ohm speakers on an 8 ohm system, you can burn out the unit driving them. Without getting too complicated, the output of the stereo is designed with the resistance rating of the speaker in mind so it is optimised for this. A load other than that can put an additional strain on the system driving the speakers. <br /><br />Jack is correct on the wiring of 2 4 ohm speakers to make an 8 ohm. 2/ 8 ohm speakers in parallel will look like a 4 ohm speaker to the stereo. Again, the speakers will not be loud.
 

magster65

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Would that mean if you had a more powerful amplifier it would be o.k. or does it mean that the resistance would be too much for the amp. regardless of it's output?
 

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Hi Magster - usually amplifiers have a minimum impedance rating for whatever speakers you use. <br /><br />Your amplifier will operate on speakers no less than 4 ohms, but will be fine with 8 ohm speakers. In theory you just won't get quite as much volume as you would get on 4 ohm speakers. <br /><br />In practice, you probably won't notice much difference at all.
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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When I used to be a DJ/sound tech for a living, I learned alot about what works and don't work.<br /><br />The lower the ohms is closer to being a dead short.<br /><br />Two speakers in parallel will in theroy equal 4 ohms. But be careful when crossovers are used. I have seen speakers with crossovers requiring 8 ohm input, but have 4 ohm speakers.<br /><br />Running 8 ohm speakers on a 4 ohm system will end up destroying the speakers. Will fry the voice coil!<br /><br />Running 4 ohm speakers on a 8 ohm system will burn out your amp. This is due to the speakers having more resistance that what the amp is capable of handling.<br /><br />I prefer 4 ohm output since the amp is more durable plus the wattage for the bass at 4 ohm delivers more punch to the speaker.<br /><br />I think I would find the right matching setup so you wouldn't void any warranty. Hope this helps.....SS
 
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In my learning days when I started DJing I learned the hard way about speaker resistance and amplifier output. If you already own the cabinets that you would like to put in your boat you should be able to go to a local stereo shop and pick up a couple of speakers that will fit them in a 4ohm resistance. If you don't own the cabinets already the best option from my perspective would be to purchase a set of speakers that will work for your intended purpose and build cabinets to fit where you would like to put them. just my .02
 

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Magster, the answer is it is best to run the right speakers with the unit. I have seen units where the speakers do not a big effect, while i have seen units, that will barely drive the 8 ohm speakers. If the impedanced is not matched, then you may not hear a difference, but the stereo driving the speakers can overheat or burn out.
 

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If you need to raise the resistance you can always ad a resistor.........
 

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Magster, I think you would be fine matching a car stereo to some 8 ohm speakers. PC speakers aren't very power hungry anyway and there is no risk in providing too much resistance to an amplifier's output, it just puts out less. Too little resistance and the amp will put out too much juice and heat up.<br /><br />Speaker impedance is an average calculated from the resistance offered over the voice coil's travel in and out, and the resistance is highest at maximum excursions (peak volume levels) and this is most likely where there would be a performance difference between the 4 and 8 ohm drivers. <br /><br />With the 8 ohm speakers you might not get the same maximum volume as you would with 4 ohm speakers of identical design but they should sound fine and not present any hazard of damage. In fact adding a little resistance can even protect the system from being over-driven.<br /><br />Be sure to check that the amplifier has enough power (in RMS watts rating) to drive the speakers. A little too much amp power (ex. 50w amp and 35w speakers) is fine, desirable even. Too little power however, will ruin speakers quickly. The amplifier provides control over the excursion of the speaker drivers at all times, kind of like brakes, and under-driving a speaker (ex. 7w amp found in many cheap car stereos matched to big 50w or 100w speakers) will sound terrible and allow the speaker voice coils to bounce back and forth too voilently. They won't last long.<br /><br />You will still get the best results though if you use components that were intended to work together. There are surface mounting speakers in enclosures made just for boats, cars, etc. that might work out better for you.
 
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Calico,<br /><br />Thanks for that EXCELLENT explanation.
 

magster65

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Yes, thank you, I actually understand that response. My goal is to have the sattelite speakers with a sub hidden somewhere like a lot of the new 'surround sound' types. I'll shop around some more for some compact 4 ohm speakers before I buy but may end up with 8 ohmers (new word) anyways. I'll be using an MTX amplifier (60w x 4).
 

CalicoKid

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Magster, Your MTX 4X60 amp (NICE!) might be able to bridge two of the channels into one monoaural channel for subwoofer use. It may even have a built-in crossover which cuts off any frequencies above a certain point, say 100hz, so the amp is putting all it's energy on that channel into reproducing bass while the other two channels are reproducing the higher frequencies. This type of setup produces truly excellent sound and is highly efficient. Your Tolley will be rockin'!! Good luck, Magster!
 

CalicoKid

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... and you may be able to bridge that amp into two stereo channels as an alternative if your speaker system only takes a left and right input but no sub. Combining two channels by bridging them usually creates a sum output greater than the separate channels. In other words, you might be able to get your amp to operate as a 2x150 instead of 4x60. Or 2x60 + 1x75(mono, sub) as in the previous post. Check out your manual, good luck!
 
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