Still can?t get my 1968 18 hp to stay running

Dersu

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I have a 1968 Evinrude 18 hp. I few squeezes of the primer ball firms up the ball. The motor starts fine and runs for a minute or so then starts to sputter and finally kills. Before it sputters and kills it usually revs a little. It used to only do this intermittently, now it does it every time. I can keep it running by squeezing the primer bulb when it wants to kill. The primer ball is hard when I start the motor, but softens some by the time the motor kills.

Here is what I have tried so far. I attached a new fuel line with a new ball and hardware. I also changed the hardware that attaches the fuel line to tank. The tank vent is open. I also tried it with the cap off the tank. I removed and cleaned the screen on the fuel pump even though it really wasn?t dirty. The motor is on a Jon boat, so the gas tank is not much lower than the motor. In any event, I tried running the motor with the gas tank about two feet higher than the motor. None of these changes made any difference.

One thing I have not done yet is fill the gas tank to the top. It is just below half full. The problem did not occur until the tank drained down to about half, but I really cannot say whether that is a coincidence or evidence.

I?m generally ignorant in these matters, but it seems to me that it is either the fuel pump or the carburetor. I?m leaning toward the fuel pump. Is there any way to definitively diagnose the problem? Where do I go from here? I would hate the go to the trouble of rebuilding the carburetor if it?s the fuel pump and vice versa.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
 

Xcusme

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Re: Still can?t get my 1968 18 hp to stay running

I agree, the fuel pump is in question, for sure. Your on the right path, just replace the fuel pump.
 

1946Zephyr

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Re: Still can?t get my 1968 18 hp to stay running

I think your fuel pump is shot. One thing you can do, to test it, is remove the fuel line from the carb after you get it charged up and see if it pumps gas while it's running. Set a little jar or something in the cowling, so you can have something to catch the fuel with. If it's not pumping fuel out, then your fuel pump is bad.:cool:
 

samo_ott

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Re: Still can?t get my 1968 18 hp to stay running

If you have to manually keep pumping it to keep it going, you are doing the part of the fuel pump. Replace it, it's toast.
 

Dersu

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Re: Still can?t get my 1968 18 hp to stay running

I changed the fuel pump and the problem remains the same. Now what?
 

jonesg

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Re: Still can?t get my 1968 18 hp to stay running

check your work, the new pump should work.
Test the pump.:)
 

Dersu

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Re: Still can?t get my 1968 18 hp to stay running

How do I check my work? Installing the new pump was nothing more that inserting two screws and attaching the hoses. It does not seem possible to mess that up.

I will say this, however. The place on the motor where the new pump was attached was not particularly pristine. Would scrubbing this with a wire brush help? I understand that the pump picks up pulses from the engine to operate. Does it need a clean contact point?
 

rjezuit

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Re: Still can?t get my 1968 18 hp to stay running

One side of the diaphragm sees the pulses. If there is a leak it will not pump. The contact area should be clean and smooth. Be sure there is a good seal on the gasket, it is on straight (flat) etc. Rick
 

CATransplant

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Re: Still can?t get my 1968 18 hp to stay running

You check the new pump the same way you would have checked the old pump. Pull the hose that goes to the carb and see if the pump pumps fuel.

If the base was messed up, it's probably leaking air there and cannot work. If there is a gasket surface and a gasket, that joint is meant to seal tightly. If you didn't clean the are or if you used an old, expired gasket, you didn't do a complete job when you replaced the fuel pump.

Take your time. Gasket surfaces must be clean and smooth. Hoses must fit properly and have the proper clamps on them, as designed. There's no way to rush repairs. If they're not done correctly, you have no way of knowing that you've solved that problem.

Properly solve one problem at a time. That's the only way to proceed.
 

Dersu

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Re: Still can?t get my 1968 18 hp to stay running

It appears to be working. I cleaned the surfaces and tightened the clamps on the hoses. The motor then ran well at a very low idle for about 20 minutes. My only concern is the gasket, or the lack of one. There is no gasket on the pump itself. There is a rubber piece, about a 1/4 inch thick, attached to the motor that the pump presses up against. Is this something that gets replaced with a new fuel pump? If so, how do I get it off?
 

14ftgrumman

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Re: Still can?t get my 1968 18 hp to stay running

Sounds like bad fuel pump.

The carb is running out of gas, so the fast idle. Keeps running as long as you are keeping gas in the carb (squeezing the bulb.)
 

Dersu

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Re: Still can?t get my 1968 18 hp to stay running

I had the motor out this weekend. It ran like a champ. Thanks to everyone who helped.
 

CATransplant

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Re: Still can?t get my 1968 18 hp to stay running

Bravo! Nothing like getting a problem solved and enjoying the fruits of your labor. ;)
 
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