Strange noise from engine

nitedmn

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I'm sure I know the answer to this already but I'm just not ready to accept it yet. I'll give you the whole story (in a shotened form) from the begining so you have all the info.<br /><br />Motor info:<br />Mercruiser 898 (GM 305)<br /><br />Put boat in water last summer and it stalled after it warmed up and would not refire. Motor would still crank without problems but would not fire.<br /><br />Pulled boat out of water, brought it home and began to trouble shoot (moter started fine once it cooled down).<br /><br />Discovered cracked exaust manifold that seemed to be caused by engine overheating. Engine still started and ran fine (sounded perfect) when cold except for the water that was getting into the oil. Engine never got so hot that it would not crank.<br /><br />Pulled outdrive. Drained oil (now turned to syrup). Changed filter. Filled with fresh oil. started motor and let it run for about 15 to 30 seconds, without water, to pump the rest of the bad oil out of the engine. When I started the motor this time I heard a strange knocking sound from the moter. My first thought was the circulating pump, since it was dry. Then I drianed oil, changed filter, and filled with fresh oil again.<br /><br />Had no money for new manifolds so the boat sat for the rest of the summer. Before winter I removed the old manifolds, circulating pump, sprayed fogging oil in all the cylinders, and drained the block (winterized it as best I could without starting it)<br /><br />Yesterday I pulled the boat out of storage. I pulled the curculating pump apart and didn't see any problems with it. I put the pump back on and installed the new manifolds I bought during the winter. I then took my garden hose an stuck it in the hole where the water would normaly be pumped into the motor (remember the outdrive is still removed).<br /><br />Good news. I fixed the water in the oil problem. I now have good water flow to both manifolds and the engine block. Oil is level isn't changing.<br /><br />Now I start the motor (out drive still removed with my garden hose providing water to the motor). After a few tries I get the motor to fire and run. Seems to run good except I still have that knocking sound.<br /><br />I removed the belt going around the crank, alternator, and water pump and start the motor again for a second or two. I still hear the noise so it's definatly not the water pump.<br /><br />I have this noise narrowed down to two things. As mentioned before I'm pretty sure I know which one is correct but I want to check before I go through the trouble of pulling the motor.<br /><br />1. This noise started after I removed the outdrive. Would running the motor without the outdrive possibly cause any additional noise?<br /><br />2. I spun a bearing in the motor and will need to pull the motor to fix it. (oh... This motor has less then 100 hours on it although it was sitting for about 3-5 years before I bought it)
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: Strange noise from engine

#1. NO<br />#2. Maybe, hard to tell without hearing it....<br />Is the "knock" timed to crank speed or cam speed?....JK
 

jch7450

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Re: Strange noise from engine

Hang on a sec. You just said it spun a bearing?<br />you stated>1. This noise started after I removed the outdrive. Would running the motor without the outdrive possibly cause any additional noise?<br />I dont understand the next question then>2. I spun a bearing in the motor and will need to pull the motor to fix it. (oh... This motor has less then 100 hours on it although it was sitting for about 3-5 years before I bought it). Why ask if pulling the drive would make more noise,the thing is shot with the snun rod bearing. maybe i'm confused here
 

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Re: Strange noise from engine

Running the engine without the drive will NOT cause any other noises.<br /><br />Sounds are really hard to describe. Is this a hard knock, or a ticking sound you are hearing.<br />You could always get a mechanics stethascope and see if you can't locate where it's coming from.
 

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Re: Strange noise from engine

The sound is more of hard knock. I had an old Chevy Blazer with a 2.8 V6 (what a worthless motor). The main bearings in that motor went out one day as I was driving home from work The sound I hear from the boat is similar to the sound the blazer made. The only differnce is that I don't hear a grinding sound from the boat and I did from my blazer. Is there an easy way to see test the motor bearings without taking it apart? The way the boat hull is designed I will need to pull the motor just to get the distributer out.<br /><br />I'm not really sure if it's timed with the cam or the crank. I haven't let it run for more then a minute yet. I'm trying to avoide running the motor as much as possible until I find the problem. I don't want to cause any more damage then there already is.
 

nitedmn

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Re: Strange noise from engine

Originally posted by BabylonBoater:<br /> Just a thought..........how is the oil pressure?
Hmm... Now that you mention it... I never ran it long enough to look. Maybe I just need to let it run a minute to get the oil pumped up into the motor. Or I damaged the oil pump with all the water from the cracked manifolds.<br /><br />I'll check that tonight. Any other suggestions?
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: Strange noise from engine

See what the oil pressure is....<br />Take Dons's advice & get a stethescope to try to localize noise....<br />FBT, you ain't in the water yet? :D :D .....JK
 

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Re: Strange noise from engine

Hi JK..........<br /><br />Not yet, but very close!!!<br />In the middle of putting the inside back together. Did some painting in the cockpit.<br />Outdrive is installed and painted, bottom is painted..........just about ready to go.<br /><br />Too much D&*^&*N rain this w/e.<br /><br />Don't worry, I will be posting as soon as I run it!!!
 

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Re: Strange noise from engine

Please explain what you mean by this.<br /><br />Filled with fresh oil. started motor and let it run for about 15 to 30 seconds, without water, "to pump the rest of the bad oil out of the engine". <br /><br />How did you pump the rest of the bad oil out?<br />Where did you pump it to?
 

nitedmn

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Re: Strange noise from engine

Originally posted by Buttanic:<br /> Please explain what you mean by this.<br /><br />Filled with fresh oil. started motor and let it run for about 15 to 30 seconds, without water, "to pump the rest of the bad oil out of the engine". <br /><br />How did you pump the rest of the bad oil out?<br />Where did you pump it to?
I was attempting to get any of the water/oil mixture that was inside the engine (not in the oil pan) into the oil pan and/or filter so I could then drain it out. If I would have left the water connected to the boat I would have just added more water to the mess and made it worse. I removed the outdrive to prevent any further damage to the impeller (which I think was the cause of all the problems to begin with). <br /><br />The end goal was to get all the water out of the motor so it didn't rust from inside out.
 

lilmandavis

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Re: Strange noise from engine

not pumping the oil out into a bucket through the cooler though right?!
 

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Re: Strange noise from engine

Originally posted by nitedmn:<br />1. This noise started after I removed the outdrive. Would running the motor without the outdrive possibly cause any additional noise?<br /><br />2. I spun a bearing in the motor and will need to pull the motor to fix it. (oh... This motor has less then 100 hours on it although it was sitting for about 3-5 years before I bought it)
1),...... No........<br /><br />2),...... Probably........... :(
 

Buttanic

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Re: Strange noise from engine

Sounds like a possible spun bearing to me.
 

nitedmn

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Re: Strange noise from engine

I fired it up when I got home from work tonight and the oil pressure went up right away. I let it run for a good minute at a fast idle and the noise didn't go away. It sounds like one cylinder may be missing every now and then and it's not idiling a smooth as it use to. The engine was cold but it still seemed to stall pretty easy at idle.<br /><br />Could a bad valve cause a loud knock like this? A friend of mine has a compression tester I might borrow and use before I pull the motor and tear into the bottom end.
 

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Re: Strange noise from engine

cut the filter with a proper filter cutter- if you spun a bearing, the filter will be fill of trash.
 

nitedmn

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Re: Strange noise from engine

Yesterday I pulled off the starbord valve cover and rolled the motor over by hand. All 8 lifters appeared to be moving fine. I didn't check the other side.<br /><br />I'll cut the filter open and see what I find. Thanks for the suggestion.
 

jch7450

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Re: Strange noise from engine

maybe just get a friend or someone who works on engines stop over and listen to it, I don't think anyone can really tell without hearing it
 
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