Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

bigmarcbancs

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I have to replace a section of the ply wood floor that the carpet is attached to in my 88' Bayliner Capri. Perhaps someone knows how and what this plywood is attached to as I dont want to go tearing into it and the result being structural damage. I am a carpenter by nature so the wood part, no problem. Same for fiberglass repair. It's the underneath connection I am curious about. Maybe the ply attaches to wood ribs or stringers? Steel? I suppose I could just grab the trusty chain saw and start a cuttin'! No, not really.
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bhammer

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

Head on over to restoration forum, you'll meet lots of folks that have and use chainsaws for boat work. :cool:

As for your question, the floor is generally attached to stringers that are capped in fiberglass. Why do you have to replace a section? If it is rotted, then chances are, you will find even more rot when you open it up, saturated foam and the likes.

The guys over in restoration will guide you best
 

Marcq

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

Is it in the bow area ? What is the size of that boat ?

Marc..
 

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

(pardon the interruption guys)

Hey Bhammer, just wondering if I know you so I sent you a private message.....
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

you are going to be replacing more than the deck, in an 88 capri. see the shanky beast thread at the top of the forum.
 

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

td is correct.......

b-liners were known for rot in those years.

yes, you can just grab a chain saw and go for it !

the stringers were fiber glass incased wood or foam.

start with the outward edges and dont go too deep....depth of the deck only.....

the stringers will run legnth ways....stern to bow......you can see where they are from the ski locker.......

be advised,,,,yer in for a boat load of work.....if you want to fix it....read skanky beast at the top of this forum....deck only...approx 30 hrs......

however....theres more....you'll see when you get in there....
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

i had to search for this. i don't lnow what brand boat this is. but it is and idea.
 

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

That looks like it's from the Oops school of boat repair.

"First, we'll remove the floatation foam by cutting the hull in half....."
 

bigmarcbancs

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

Thats why I love iboats, the knowledge and advice is second to none. Yikes! After reading the shanky beast thread and hearing about the floor issues my model boat sometimes has, for sure theres more damage. It wouldnt be as bad if I didnt see this boat in February with 8" of ICE in it as the previous owner "forgot" to pull the drain plug. I think I may be in for it. Oh well, I like a good challenge. Thank for all the feedback and information. Makes things a whole lot easier. Just incase, I'll sharpen up the chainsaw. No, really.
 

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

Rip out the carpet, then a skillsaw set to 1/2" deep works best.
 

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

ditto the skill saw... just watch the center between the bilge and the ski locker...there's a gas tank there.. you can locate the stringers inside the bilge, and inside the locker.

They're not that bad... I'm working on my second one!
 

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

That looks like it's from the Oops school of boat repair.

"First, we'll remove the floatation foam by cutting the hull in half....."

erik you rat...! its 2 am here....i just got off the boat....and laughed so hard i spit my mc burger all over my screen.....:eek: :D :D

thats funny man
 

GregRLB

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

I also have an '88 Bayliner Capri and found the same problem with the deck. The boat sat for two years and the moisture trapped under the carpeting over the years simply rotted the decking. I'm also a carpenter by trade and figured it was a good job to tackle myself. Boy did I get myself in deep when I took this project on!

The structural support for this boat are plywood stringers from bow to stern encased in fiberglass. There were several 1x2 firring strips (on flat) that were used as cross supports. Not much support if you ask me! The decking itself was ?" plywood and the deck had a lot of "give" to it even before it started to rot away.

This is what the deck looked like once I removed the carpet...
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This is what I cut out of the deck...
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When I started to rebuild the supports I decided to use ?" pressure treated plywood and make my own I-beams using a dadoed top and bottom plate and a piece of ?" ply as the rib. I also reinforced the existing fiber glassed ribs with another piece of ?" ply. The most difficult part of this are the angles, but after using a cardboard template for each I-beam/support, it went relatively smoothly.

This is what the supports looked like...
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The supports were screwed into the reinforced ribs leaving a small gap between the hull and the underside of the bottom plate. To fill the void I used the fast setting West System epoxy to ensure there was a "flat" and solid connection between the two. This was a challenge to mix and apply the epoxy, set it in place, and finally screw it in place before the epoxy set.

The rear solid panel that encases the fuel tank was fiber glassed and the new plywood was coated with fiberglass and/or epoxy then painted with epoxy paint. I didn't get any pictures of the decking but I used ?" pressure treated plywood. I made a plywood "tongue" on a piece of the new decking to slip under the existing decking that covered the majority of the fuel tank since I couldn't screw this portion. When this new piece of decking went down I used some glue on the tongue to secure the two pieces.

After all the new plywood decking was installed I used the West System epoxy on all the seams with the fiberglass cloth. Then I put several coats of epoxy on the entire deck, sanded (relatively) smooth, and painted with epoxy paint.

I doubt that I'll install carpeting as it is used for fishing too and I think we all know how much fun it is to clean the carpet after a busy day of fishing! So instead I might just use the non-skid tape. Right now it seems pretty good without anything on the deck. I'll have to see how it works out this season.

In the end it was well worth all the work, but it was not a small repair by any means.
 

bigmarcbancs

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

Just an update: I cought this problem just in time. After removing the section of plywood, that was in fact starting to rot just aft of the ski locker, I was able to inspect for more rot. Everything looked surprisingly clean. I inspected the stringers that were incased in fiber glass by sending a screw into them in random places, not many but enough, and felt solid resistance and then pulled on said screw to see if it would pull out. Not a chance. Then filled the holes with epoxy.
I cut the new plywood by tracing the old peice(s) that came out. West Systems epoxy (love that stuff) on the under side of the ply and fiber glass the top side. It would be my guess that the dry climate here in Colorado helped in minimizing the rot that I too thought I would find. I dont see a reason to worry about the rest of the boat.
Gregrlb, your pictures gave me some reassurance as to the condition of rest of the structure for there is a big difference in the condition of my stringers, plywood and ski locker as opposed to yours. Thanks for adding those pics. I think I will reinstall new carpet. Although, you have a point about carpet and fishing, I think indoor/outdoor carpet will look good and clean up well. The glue to install this is waterproof as well. 4 dollars a yard, cant beat that.
Now I can finish my engine tune up and off to the lake!
 

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

you dodged a big bullitt.....

did you check the transom?

good luck.
happy boating....
 

bigmarcbancs

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

As much as I possibly could as this boat is an outboard and I did not feel the need to start cutting into good fiberglass for further inspection. Although, any input you may have to further check the transom I will seriously consider.
 

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Re: Structural question regarding the hull in Bayliner Capri's

Plain resin with no glass will crack; only epoxy can be used as paint.
 
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