Stump The Experts Mercruiser 5.7L With No Power..Long

John_S

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That's what lifejackets are for!

OK, maybe to give them time to put them on! before it dives to the bottom! ;)

Have you found that as a common practice to have no foam in boats over 20'? Pleasure craft, not commercial style boats.
 

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Start with the basics. Sounds like you've already covered lots of the easy stuff, IE timing checks, plug wiring, etc. I would do a compression and leakdown test if I were you, and also check the fuel pressure under load.

I wonder if the cam was swapped when the motor was changed. Kind of a pain to check cam timing at this point, but I've seen a motor do exactly what you're describing (idle great, fall flat at a couple of thousand RPM) when the cam was installed a couple of teeth off.

Do you know anyone you can swap a known good carb with for a test? I've seen LOTS of home "rebuilt" carbs that aren't anywhere near up to spec. Only way I've ever seen a clogged internal passage cleaned out was by boiling the body by a commercial carb rebuilder. Swapping gaskets and accelerator pump parts, and adding a coat of spray paint, won't make a carb clogged by dried out fuel work any better.

Good Luck!
 

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i would say to you set the timing to 10 dbtdc first then on your secondary float bowl set the float yourself level or slightly down then turn the carb upside down blow through the fuel inlet and make sure the needle valve is closing off fuel supply. i think your flooding out. do these things before you check electrical modules etc.. good luck:cool:
 

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Maybe its a replacement motor for a car. From what I know and have heard/read, the camshafts are different. Auto camshafts just don't work in boats.
 

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While I have a good sense on how this engine should perform in a v runabout, I do not have experience with a deck boat. My assumption is a heavy boat but large planning surface, but still on the slow side. Multiply that by the elevation. My boating has been 2K' or lower.

Do you know what the original boat/305 pkg expected performance, at normal elevations?

Not sure I know how to do the Multi Quote thing??

Some info on a Mariah web page indicates a 4.3L is a little under powered but a 5.7 Mag can reach close to 60 mph at sea level of course. It is a pretty good size boat but does have a V-hull design

Was it ever tested at a lower elevation, prior to purchase?

Yes, the marina said the tested it before trade in. I have recently called them and he swears it ran great at their 2000ft elevation - he even became a little perturbed and said I was calling him a liar which I was not directly.

I assume this was an "as is" sale from this dealer. ie no warrantee?

He might take it back if it just wont' run at this altitude.

I guess my point is, even though the unknown motor and severe performace problem may be connected, need to click off other items on Don's Checklist. The comment about water logged foam, can still be a possibility. Not sure I would cut a hole (but if you are ok with it there are hatch plugs that can be used), but you can take it to transfer station scale for weight reading of the boat and trailer, and then just trailer, + calculate gas and gear, to compare to factory weight.

Thats good idea. I think the weight is in the 3K-3.5K range

A few more comments on carb. The 1/4" is probably OK. It will open some once the 2ndarys open. The 3/4 turn comment does not sound like the Merc service manual set-up, though. I believe it uses a gram scale. You should use their data vs any generic carb kit instructions. service manual #17, in the "Adults Only" section.

The 3/4 turn is a typical Q-jet setting. I'll try to figure out the service manual procedure but it seems complicated.

I don't think the issue is advance, but doesn't take long to map. The standard 5.7L 2brl, doesn't come all in to around 4K. You are getting about the right advance for the rpms you are turning. If anything it is too high. Only question is, can it advance any further.

Ratio is also stamped on drive input shaft, but don't think you want to pull drive for the info. You could turn the motor over by hand and count the revolutions to turn the prop 1 time. 1.5 engine revolutions = 1.5 ratio, 1.65 rev = 1.65 ratio. A little hard to be exact, but probably close enough.

I have thought about that. The park plugs on the port side are a bear to get to much less a compression gage. I might just pay a shop to do that.
 

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I screwed up that post - how do you do the multi quote?
 

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Well, despite the plugs being black, I would just get a 5-gallon portable fuel tank and use that to verify yo don't have a restriction in the fuel line. At least that would rule out the fuel tank/filters/lines being contaminated.
 

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Next time you are on the lake, remove your flame arrestor from the carb. It may be clogged up, and the restriction would manifest more at higher RPM.
 

russ442

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Re: Stump The Experts Mercruiser 5.7L With No Power..Long

Thanks for all the help.

I might try the portable fuel tank this weekend. I did have the flame arrestor off when I was on the lake playing with the timing and manually opening the secondary air valves.

I actually was able to make an appointment next week with a marine shop that has a boat dyno (which I had never heard of). Apparently they can load the engine in their shop and diagnose this sort of problem. Has anyone had experience with this before? I will probably go that route rather than me keep wasting time and throwing $$ at it.
 

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Plugs being black may just mean that you are running rich at idle. If you idle for a little while and then pull the plugs, they will be black. If you run at speed for awhile, they may be a completely different color. That is why you only do a plug read after a normal run.
 

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Updates ** Stump The Experts Mercruiser 5.7L With No Power..Long

Updates ** Stump The Experts Mercruiser 5.7L With No Power..Long

I ran the boat on the muffs with a external 5 gallon gas can. No change.

I checked timing map and looks O.K.
RPM Timing
650 12
1500 13
2000 17
2500 22
3000 25
3500 27
4000 29

I then replaced the carb. with a Q-jet I have on my 1970 Cutlass that I know works well. On the muffs it ran much better. So off to the lake I went. I actually was able to get up on plane but could only get 4000 rpm once planed out and only 3800 rpm with trim all the way down. So I am still over propped with a 17P prop. And by the way the boat will not plane out with the primaries it will only gain enough speed with both the secondaries and primaries open.

After getting home i was looking at the marine carb. (P/N 17059286) and noticed the air valve spring was way tighter than the Q-jet from the Cutlass. The service manual says to set it for 80 grams. I had it set for 130 grams so I think this was part of my problem.

I think my problem is a combination of being over proped and the air valve spring being too tight. I am debating on going to a 13P prop on a 5.7 which is kind of crazy and hard to find (remember I am at 5000 ft and I liek to go to some high mountain lakes that are at 9000 ft.). Any thoughts?
 

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Don't get too far ahead of yourself. Weigh the boat. If it's really high start figuring that out first. Then if all is well fix or change the marine carburetor. You really shouldn't run the automotive carburetor in the boat. Then test the boat in the water. If it seems to run well and can't make 4400 to 4600 RPM go to a 15" wheel.
Take a breath, if you do it in pieces you'll get there without over fixing it.
BTW good play trying a different known good carb, at least you know the engine can run well.
 

JHolian

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Im no marine mechanic but I am a automotive mechanic so same principles apply. I would be leaning toward ignition problems. Try spraying the wires down with some water and see if you can induce any arcing. Under load you are creating a hotter spark which on a worn wire could get through the insulation.
 

John_S

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Thanks for the update. It sounds like you are making some progress.

Were you able to contact Mariah and get some performance numbers and what their thoughts were for the high elevation you are trying to run at?
 
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