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C/P long but interesting.<br /><br />Subject: FW: The psychology behind suicide bombings<br /><br /><br />Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:17 PM<br />Subject: The psychology behind suicide bombings<br /><br /><br />The mind of a suicide bomber. Interesting read. The news is not good. <br />Read on.<br />Mike<br /><br />The psychology behind suicide bombings<br /><br />By Pierre Rehov, French Documentary Filmmaker<br /><br /><br />On July 15, MSNBC's ”Connected" program discussed the 7/7 London<br />attacks. One of the guests was Pierre Rehov, a French filmmaker who has<br />filmed six documentaries on the intifada by going undercover in the<br />Palestinian areas. Pierre's upcoming film,”Suicide Killers," is based on<br />interviews that he conducted with the families of suicide bombers and<br />would-be bombers in an attempt to find out why they do it. Pierre agreed<br />to a request for a Q&A interview here about his work on the new film. Many<br />thanks to Dean Draznin and Arlyn Riskind for helping to arrange this<br />special interview.<br /><br /><br />What inspired you to produce "Suicide Killers," your seventh film?<br /><br /><br />I started working with victims of suicide attacks to make a film on<br />PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) when I became fascinated with the<br />personalities of those who had committed those crimes, as they were<br />described again and again by their victims; especially the fact that<br />suicide bombers are all smiling one second before they blow themselves up.<br /><br /><br />Why is this film especially important?<br /><br /><br />People don't understand the devastating culture behind this<br />unbelievable phenomenon. My film is not politically correct because it<br />addresses the real problem-showing the real face of Islam. It points the<br />finger against a culture of hatred in which the uneducated are brainwashed<br />to a level where their only solution in life becomes to kill themselves<br />and kill others in the name of a God whose word, as transmitted by other<br />men, has became their only certitude.<br /><br /><br />What insights did you gain from making this film? What do you know<br />that other experts do not know?<br /><br /><br />I came to the conclusion that we are facing a neurosis at the level of<br />an entire civilization. Most neuroses have in common a dramatic event,<br />generally linked to an unacceptable sexual behavior. In this case, we are<br />talking of kids living all their lives in pure frustration, with no<br />opportunity to experience sex, love, tenderness or even understanding from<br />the opposite sex. The separation between men and women in Islam is<br />absolute. So is contempt toward women, who are totally dominated by men.<br />This leads to a situation of pure anxiety, in which normal behavior is not<br />possible. It is no coincidence that suicide killers are mostly young men<br />dominated subconsciously by an overwhelming libido that they not only<br />cannot satisfy but are afraid of, as if it is the work of the devil. Since<br />Islam describes heaven as a place where everything on earth will finally be<br />allowed, and promises 72 virgins to those frustrated kids, killing others<br />and killing themselves to reach this redemption<br />becomes their only solution.<br /><br /><br />What was it like to interview would-be suicide bombers, their families<br />and survivors of suicide bombings?<br /><br /><br />It was a fascinating and a terrifying experience. You are dealing with<br />seemingly normal people with very nice manners who have their own logic,<br />which to a certain extent can make sense since they are so convinced that<br />what they say is true. It is like dealing with pure craziness, like<br />interviewing people in an asylum, since what they say, is for them, the<br />absolute truth. I hear a mother saying "Thank God, my son is dead." Her son<br />had became a shaheed, a martyr, which for her was a greater source of pride<br />than if he had became an engineer, a doctor or a winner of the Nobel Prize.<br />This system of values works completely backwards since their interpretation<br />of Islam worships death much more than life. You are facing people whose<br />only dream, only achievement is to fulfill what they believe to be their<br />destiny, namely to be a shaheed or the family of a shaheed. They don't see<br />the innocent being killed, they only see the impure that they have to<br />destroy.<br /><br /><br />You say suicide bombers experience a moment of absolute power, beyond<br />punishment. Is death the ultimate power?<br /><br /><br />Not death as an end, but death as a door open to the after life. They<br />are seeking the reward that God has promised them. They work for God, the<br />ultimate authority, above all human laws. They therefore experience this<br />single delusional second of absolute power, where nothing bad can ever<br />happen to them, since they become God's sword.<br /><br /><br />Is there a suicide bomber personality profile? Describe the<br />psychopathology.<br /><br /><br />Generally kids between 15 and 25 bearing a lot of complexes, generally<br />inferiority complexes. They must have been fed with religion. They usually<br />have a lack of developed personality. Usually they are impressionable<br />idealists. In the western world they would easily have become drug addicts,<br />but not criminals. Interestingly, they are not criminals since they don't<br />see good and evil the same way that we do. If they had been raised in an<br />Occidental culture, they would have hated violence. But they constantly<br />battle against their own death anxiety. The only solution to this<br />deep-seated pathology is to be willing to die and be rewarded in the after<br />life in Paradise.<br /><br /><br />Are suicide bombers principally motivated by religious conviction?<br /><br /><br />Yes, it is their only conviction. They don't act to gain a territory<br />or to find freedom or even dignity. They only follow Allah, the supreme<br />judge, and what He tells them to do.<br /><br /><br />Do all Muslims interpret jihad and martyrdom in the same way?<br /><br /><br />All Muslim believers believe that, ultimately, Islam will prevail on<br />earth. They believe this is the only true religion and there is no room, in<br />their mind, for interpretation. The main difference between moderate<br />Muslims and extremists is that moderate Muslims don’t think they will see<br />the absolute victory of Islam during their life time, therefore they<br />respect other beliefs. The extremists believe that the fulfillment of the<br />Prophecy of Islam and ruling the entire world as described in the Koran is<br />for today. Each victory of Bin Laden convinces 20 million moderate Muslims<br />to become extremists.<br /><br /><br />Describe the culture that manufactures suicide bombers.<br /><br /><br />Oppression, lack of freedom, brain washing, organized poverty,<br />placing God in charge of daily life, total separation between men and<br />women, forbidding sex, giving women no power whatsoever, and placing men<br />in charge of family honor, which is mainly connected to their women's<br />behavior.<br /><br /><br />What socio-economic forces support the perpetuation of suicide<br />bombings?<br /><br /><br />Muslim charity is usually a cover for supporting terrorist<br />organizations. But one has also to look at countries like Pakistan, Saudi<br />Arabia and Iran, which are also supporting the same organizations through<br />different networks. The ironic thing in the case of Palestinian suicide<br />bombers is that most of the money comes through financial support from the<br />Occidental world, donated to a culture that utterly hates and rejects the<br />West (mainly symbolized by Israel).<br /><br /><br />Is there a financial support network for the families of the suicide<br />bombers? If so, who is paying them and how does that affect the decision?<br /><br /><br />There used to be a financial incentive in the days of Saddam Hussein<br />($25,000 per family) and Yasser Arafat (smaller amounts), but these days<br />are gone. It is a mistake to believe that these families would sacrifice<br />their children for money. Although, the children themselves who are very<br />attached to their families, might find in this financial support another<br />reason to become suicide bombers. It is like buying a life insurance policy<br />and then committing suicide.<br /><br /><br />Why are so many suicide bombers young men?<br /><br /><br />As discussed above, libido is paramount. Also ego, because this is a<br />sure way to become a hero. The shaheeds are the cowboys or the firemen of<br />Islam. Shaheed is a positively reinforced value in this culture. And what<br />kid has never dreamed of becoming a cowboy or a fireman?<br /><br /><br />What role does the U.N. play in the terrorist equation?<br /><br /><br />The UN is in the hands of Arab countries and third world or<br />ex-communists countries. Their hands are tied. The UN has condemned Israel<br />more than any other country in the world, including the regime of Castro,<br />Idi Amin or Kaddahfi. By behaving this way, the UN leaves a door open by<br />not openly condemning terrorist organizations. In addition, through UNRWA,<br />the UN is directly tied to terror organizations such as Hama’s,<br />representing 65 percent of their apparatus in the so-called Palestinian<br />refugee camps. As a support to Arab countries, the UN has maintained<br />Palestinians in camps with the hope to "return" into Israel for more than<br />50 years, therefore making it impossible to settle those populations, which<br />still live in deplorable conditions. Four-hundred million dollars are spent<br />every year, mainly financed by U.S. taxes, to support 23,000 employees of<br />UNRWA, many of whom belong to terrorist organizations (see Congressman Eric<br />Cantor on this subject, and in my film "Hostages of<br />Hatred").<br /><br /><br />You say that a suicide bomber is a 'stupid bomb and a smart bomb'<br />simultaneously. Explain what you mean.<br /><br /><br />Unlike an electronic device, a suicide killer has until the last<br />second the capacity to change his mind. In reality, he is nothing but a<br />platform representing interests which are not his, but he doesn't know it.<br /><br /><br />How can we put an end to the madness of suicide bombings and terrorism<br />in general?<br /><br /><br />Stop being politically correct and stop believing that this culture is<br />a victim of ours. Radical Islamism today is nothing but a new form of<br />Nazism. Nobody was trying to justify or excuse Hitler in the 1930s. We had<br />to defeat him in order to make peace one day with the German people.<br /><br /><br />Are these men traveling outside their native areas in large numbers?<br />Based on your research, would you predict that we are beginning to see a<br />new wave of suicide bombings outside the Middle East?<br /><br /><br />Every successful terror attack is considered a victory by the radical<br />Islamists. Everywhere Islam is expands there is regional conflict. Right<br />now, there are thousands of candidates for martyrdom lining up in training<br />camps in Bosnia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Inside Europe, hundreds of<br />illegal mosques are preparing the next step of brain washing to lost young<br />men who cannot find a satisfying identity in the Occidental world. Israel<br />is much more prepared for this than the rest of the world will ever be. <br />Yes, there will be more suicide killings in Europe and the U.S. Sadly, this<br />is only the beginning.
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

"Stop being politically correct and stop believing that this culture is<br />a victim of ours. Radical Islamism today is nothing but a new form of<br />Nazism. Nobody was trying to justify or excuse Hitler in the 1930s. We had<br />to defeat him in order to make peace one day with the German people"<br /><br />Makes perfect sense to me.<br /><br /> Each victory of Bin Laden convinces 20 million moderate Muslims<br />to become extremists.<br /><br />That's kinda scary though...even if exaggerated a little.
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

Interesting reading tho some parts are exaggerated and not necessarily true. Uneducated is not a good generalization as seen in the 9/11 bombers. <br /><br />Future generations frighten me most as we fit the bill of devil when we attacked Iraq and continue to fight in their country. The young boys do not understand why we are there only that we represent Isreal and kill their relatives.<br /><br />It does give some excellant insite into what makes the terrorist.
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

One's sense of rationality would lend itself<br />to the conclusion of exaggeration in some of these<br />remarks. But the truth is more likely closer to<br />the numbers proposed. There are many quiet Muslims<br />who keep silent on these issues as not to draw<br />attention to themselves.
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

Pierre Rehov turned up nothing in the snopes.com search.<br /><br />I'm not sure I buy the man's analysis and explanations, but the conclusion that there is some kind of mass insanity at work is on the mark. He's also correct about political correctness and all the hand-wringing and the corruption of the UN.<br /><br />I am beginning to believe that Islam is one of the horsemen of the Apocolypse.
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

There is no good exuse for the behavour of these animals.......They are no better then hitler in there extermination of all that they dont agree with.....women,children or whoever...there all pigsthis taken from yahoo news.<br /><br />BAGHDAD, Iraq - A car bomb exploded Tuesday at an outdoor market in a Shiite area of southwestern Baghdad, killing 22 people and injuring 28, police said. It appeared to be the deadliest car bombing against civilians in the capital in weeks. <br /><br />ADVERTISEMENT<br /> <br />Lt. Mohammed Khayoun said the car was parked along a street about 30 yards from a police checkpoint in a Shiite part of the mostly Sunni neighborhood of Dora.<br /><br />The blast left several cars burning and some nearby stores ablaze.<br /><br />Another police officer, Maj. Gen. Mahdi al-Gharawi, said the bomb was detonated by remote control and an Iraqi suspected of triggering the device had been arrested.<br /><br />Police 1st Lt. Maitham Abdul-Razaq said the explosion was apparently aimed at a police patrol but missed its target.<br /><br />The injured were taken to hospital, said Abdul-Razaq, who arrived at the scene shortly after the bomb went off at 4.45 p.m.<br /><br />On Jan. 19, a suicide attacker blew himself up in a downtown Baghdad coffee shop, killing 22 people and injuring 23.<br /><br />Dora is among the most dangerous neighborhoods in Baghdad, where car bombings and roadside bombs have been a daily occurrence since a Sunni-dominated insurgency began in the summer of 2003.<br /><br />Terrified children screamed while several women wailed: "Our children have died" and "the terrorists, may God punish them."<br /><br />Witnesses said at least four passing cars caught fire and some motorists were killed or seriously injured in the blast. Ambulances hurried to the scene, while motorists helped by ferrying the injured to hospitals.<br /><br />At Yarmouk hospital, two women relatives of those killed — dressed in black abaya robes — appeared dazed as they squatted on the floor of a corridor. Medics scurried about tending wounded with blood streaming down their faces.<br /><br />Several bodies covered by blankets lay top gurneys as ambulances with their sirens wailing arrived at the hospital bringing more of the injured.<br /><br />The market consisted of shops selling primarily domestic appliances such as refrigerators and cookers. But vendors sell sweets and vegetables from sidewalk stalls. Shattered pieces of fruits and vegetables were scattered on the street, mixed with huge pools of blood.
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

Lots of facts mixed in with fiction.<br />I suspect that this may have possibly been an edited interview of sorts.<br /><br />"Why are so many suicide bombers young men?<br /><br /><br /> As discussed above , libido is paramount. "
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

I saw this interview on CNN and thought it was very honest and actually unusual for CNN as it doesn't blame the rest of the world for Suicide Bombers.<br /><br />Darth,<br /><br />What exactly do you find fictitious? The guy's opinion? That's kinda understood isn't it?<br /><br />txs,<br /><br />Not all Iraqi "boys" believe what you said. A significant number of Iraqis are ecstatic that we are there. I am sure that they don't teach there children that the US is the devil. Please don't comfort those that do by acting as if it is the norm.
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

Originally posted by QC:<br /> I saw this interview on CNN and thought it was very honest and actually unusual for CNN as it doesn't blame the rest of the world for Suicide Bombers.<br /><br />Darth,<br /><br />What exactly do you find fictitious? The guy's opinion? That's kinda understood isn't it?<br /><br />
"Do all Muslims interpret jihad and martyrdom in the same way?"<br /><br /><br />"All Muslim believers believe that, ultimately, Islam will prevail on<br />earth. They believe this is the only true religion and there is no room, in<br />their mind, for interpretation. The main difference between moderate<br />Muslims and extremists is that moderate Muslims don’t think they will see<br />the absolute victory of Islam during their life time, therefore they<br />respect other beliefs. The extremists believe that the fulfillment of the<br />Prophecy of Islam and ruling the entire world as described in the Koran is<br />for today. Each victory of Bin Laden convinces 20 million moderate Muslims<br />to become extremists."<br /><br /><br />Having read the koran a number of times in the last two years, and let me tell you it is a boring and laborious task, but i'm one who believes in trying to comprehend and know what makes the enemy tick, however, i've been desperately trying to find where exactly in the koran is the fulfillment of this prophecy of islam that Mr Rehov speaks about, guess what? its just not there.<br />Perhaps Mr Rehov read that in a different koran to the one that i bought, to the best of my knowledge there is and has only ever been one version of the koran.
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

Are you saying that the Koran does not predict the domination of the world by Islam?
 

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http://www.lookinguntojesus.net/20030126.htm <br /><br />Quote:<br /><br />"Tell the unbelievers that if they abandon their ways He will forgive them what is past, but, if they return, that was indeed the way of their forefathers who have passed away. Fight them until persecution is no more and the Religion of Allah reigns supreme." (Surah 8:39-40, compare Surah 2:132; Surah 3:19, 85; Surah 48:16, 28-29; Surah 61:9; Surah 110).<br /><br />"I have been ordered to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity..." (Hadiths Vol.1, 2:24)<br /><br />...Peace and war are commanded in the same text, upon the same people. However, the Qur'an permits itself the right of abrogation. "If We supersede any verse or cause it to be forgotten, We bring a better one or one similar. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things!" (Surah 2:106)
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

Originally posted by dogsdad:<br /> Are you saying that the Koran does not predict the domination of the world by Islam?
Perhaps you can point out to me where precisely in the koran does it emphasize muslims must seek world domination.<br /><br />The closest thing to that in the koran is the rapture and the return of Christ, who goes onto battle against the anti-christ, and the true believers shall rule for a millenia.<br /><br />It is my understanding that christians also believe in this, as i have also read this in the king james version of the bible.<br /><br />Who are the true believers? <br /><br />ain't that what the fight is all about?<br /><br />Personally, i think its load of hogwash, but as is commonly said, each to their own.
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

Wait, wait, wait! Now you are saying that the Koran teaches "the return of Christ, who goes onto battle against the anti-christ, and the true believers shall rule for a millenia"? Maybe you'd like to clarify that last post...that is Christian doctrine. Maybe you'd like to rephrase some of that?<br /><br />I found some passages from the Koran, which I have posted. Read them carefully...they spell out the doctirne of domination that is indeed taught in the Koran and is a part of Muslim belief.
 

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It can all be put in 2 simple phrases.<br />The western mind is encouraged to explore and expand.<br />The moslim mind is encouraged to learn by heart and obey the master.<br />There is hope for us.The founding of islam was succesful only because of succes on the battlefield.This translated into lots of booty and therefore Allah(only one in a pantheon of middle eastern gods) was embraced as all powerful.<br />I predict that if we beat the living daylights out of the islamic armies,islam itself will be far less popular than it is today.<br />What we do in Iraq today only makes islam more popular.If we would have used the same strategy that the north used against the south in the civil war,this Iraq thing would have been over and done.<br />This is an observation, not an opinion.
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

"I predict that if we beat the living daylights out of the islamic armies,islam itself will be far less popular than it is today."<br /><br />I believe you may be right rolmops.<br /><br />It seems to be something the minds that move the<br />islamic world are moving towards, But with the <br />delusion that they could prevail in such an attempt.
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

I was able to locate a reference to Muslim belief about the return of Jesus, but the author implied that it was not written in the Koran. I am not sure I understood that part of it correctly. I would like to know where the belief comes from if not from the Koran.<br /><br />Anyway, he said that the Muslim teaching about "Christ" returning coincides heavily with Christian teaching about the anti-Christ, who claims falsely to be the Messiah.<br /><br />Very, very intersting. And chilling.
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

Originally posted by dogsdad:<br /> Wait, wait, wait! Now you are saying that the Koran teaches "the return of Christ, who goes onto battle against the anti-christ, and the true believers shall rule for a millenia"? Maybe you'd like to clarify that last post...that is Christian doctrine. Maybe you'd like to rephrase some of that?<br /><br />I found some passages from the Koran, which I have posted. Read them carefully...they spell out the doctirne of domination that is indeed taught in the Koran and is a part of Muslim belief.
Basically what you have posted are paragraphs from taken from various parts of the koran where the subject matter differs greatly.<br />The doctrin of domination mention thereof was of their prophet Muhammad's battles against the idol worshippers of taif and medina.<br />It certainly is not applicable to todays problems, though the islamic extremists and demogogues falsley indoctrinate their followers that it does.<br /><br />The story of the rapture is on page 527, part 27. verses 96 section 3.<br /><br />It is refered to and discribed as " The Inevitable Event".<br /><br />The major difference, though not the only one in islamic doctrin and christian doctrin is the trinity, muslims do not believe that jesus died on the cross, they believe that jesus was physically removed body and soul from this earth to God's dominion, where ever that is, and shall return to destroy the imposter (anti-christ).
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

Muslims do not believe in the Deity of Christ, but refer to him as just another prophet, and they elevate Mohammed to a position above Christ. Upon the return of the "Christ" they speak of, he will go to war against those who do not conform to the doctrines of Isalm.<br /><br />The interesting thing is that this "Christ" appears at a time and does the things foretold about the anti-Christ in the Book of the Revelation in the New Testament---the anti-Christ being a false Christ.
 

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Re: Suicide bombings Very interesting Read.

" they elevate Mohammed to a position above Christ. Upon the return of the "Christ" they speak of, he will go to war against those who do not conform to the doctrines of Isalm."<br /><br />He is revered because it is said that he is the last in the line of prophets by which God has past revelations through to man.<br />According to islamic folklore, when Mohammed in a dream was ascended into heaven from the temple mount in jerusalem it is said that he met with Jesus, who demanded him to instruct his followers to pray five times daily, therefore i'm not quite sure about who is elevated above who.
 
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