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[QC]

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txs,<br /><br />I'm not DJ, but I think I covered it . . . <br /><br />I will however, ask you a question. If there is a sniper taking shots at children in a schoolyard and you are armed, do you shoot him? Moral killing?

 

[DJ]

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PW2,<br /><br />That came from the inference of your post. As a reminder, see below.<br /><br />

The gov't gets to decide what's "legal". They have no business concerning themselves with what is "right", or moral. That is the individuals job, and it is called "freedom"

the ill person has to be of sound mind, and they have to have at least two doctors opinions that they have a terminal disease and less than six months to live.<br />

Two doctors? What's that cost? A couple c-notes?<br /><br />Why should there even be an opportunity for those with $$$ or power to enter into the decision making process? BTW, FYI, the government has infinite power and $$$.<br /><br />

When do I get to decide for others? If and when I do, I certainly have a few candidates to nominate, however!

When you get to be god, I'll be leaving. Maybe not by my own choice.

 

[bootle]

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Originally posted by DJ:<br />

seems that morals are not one size fits all.<br /><br />

Huh? <br /><br />Morals, as defined by many generations, are known as the Ten Commandments.<br /><br />So, speak out-ALL. Which of the ten are you vehemently opposed to?

I am not opposed to the Ten Commandments being anywhere, neither am i opposed to you believing in what you want to believe.<br /> what i'm opposed to is folks such as yourself imposing your beliefs and what you pertain to be your moral values upon me.<br />when i said its not one size fits all, thats precisely what i meant.<br />A nation can not aspire its citizenry to freedoms if it subscribes to the apparatuses of a dictatorial regiment.

 

[RubberFrog]

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I am a conservative Christian and I support PAS. I really don't understand the Republican position on this one. And what's with this ten commandments stuff? Which commandment says you have to live your last few months of life in pain and agony?<br /><br />Anybody who has been around someone in the end stages of a terminal illness understands the love and compassion involved with the decision to support a PAS.

 

[DJ]

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It seems that morals are not one size fits all.<br />

Darth, get it straight, that was your quote. See above.<br /><br />

what i'm opposed to is folks such as yourself imposing your beliefs and what you pertain to be your moral values upon me.<br />

As I said, which of these are you opposed to? That's all I ask. Don't give me another statement without answering the question.

 

[txswinner]

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QC, You point sounds good as you try to point out why we can invade Iraq.<br /><br />I agree, if I could stop the sniper from killing or injuring the children he was shooting at YES, without a doubt I would kill him.<br /><br />Now, let us apply this in the manner of invading Iraq.<br /><br />If a sniper was shooting at children in a playground would you blow up the school full of children he was in to stop this murder?<br /><br />See these things always bear more examination that either of us care to discuss.

 

[DJ]

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TXS,<br /><br />Your twisted vision and view of of right and wrong are so blinded by your hatred for the current admin. that they become null.

 

[QC]

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txs,<br /><br />I am perfectly comfortable continuing this debate. We do NOT knowingly blow up schools with children in them . . . Please cite one example. We (civil societies) do however kill morally; when we don't it is murder. Words matter . . .<br /><br />Actually, I was defending capital punishment. Are you on record as agreeing that there is moral killing? If so, then drop your use of the improperly translated Commandment; you don't believe in that standard either . . .

 

[txswinner]

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We just attacked a community in another sovereign country trying to kill Osama's right hand man. In doing so we sacrificed the lives of at least 3 children. Yes some bad guys probably were killed but that does not make the murder right.<br /><br />I have been there and committed the horrific sinful act myself, although totally unintentional and I live with the pain of it every day...<br /><br />DJ, Settle down before you blow up, I hate very few if any and GW is not that important to me. Please quit addressing your thoughts of me "unbeliever" and "hatred" it will only be a burden to you as I do not care.

 

[txswinner]

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QC, I do not oppose capital punishment either but it is a perfect agruement for those who support the governments taking away of rights.

 

[DJ]

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I am perfectly comfortable continuing this debate

I'm not, it's one sided. One side gets to throw flames and not answer questions.

 

[bootle]

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Originally posted by DJ:<br />

It seems that morals are not one size fits all.<br />

Darth, get it straight, that was your quote. See above.<br /><br />

what i'm opposed to is folks such as yourself imposing your beliefs and what you pertain to be your moral values upon me.<br />

As I said, which of these are you opposed to? That's all I ask. Don't give me another statement without answering the question.

DJ, your comprehension is being applied selectively to suit your arguement, if you go back and re-read the post, you will see that i am not opposed to any of the ten commandments.

 

[QC]

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Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> We just attacked a community in another sovereign country trying to kill Osama's right hand man. In doing so we sacrificed the lives of at least 3 children. Yes some bad guys probably were killed but that does not make the murder right.

Was your act murder? Or just those acts committed by the current men in uniform? You cannot have it both ways sir.<br /><br />Would you invite Osama or Zwahiri (sp?) to your house without understanding that there might be a risk to your family?

 

[DJ]

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DJ, Settle down before you blow up, I hate very few if any and GW is not that important to me. Please quit addressing your thoughts of me "unbeliever" and "hatred" it will only be a burden to you as I do not care.

I rechecked my head torque today-no worries.<br /><br />Trying to play as if I don't know your past will not fly. I know you don't care, that's why you flame and not answer.

 

[txswinner]

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QC, You are correct, I hope neither was murder but fear in the final judgement they might be. I am sure that even tho the shots fired this past week were from afar, the guys who pushed the buttons will suffer the same nightmares I did. Mine was similar, we were ambushed and followed attackers into village opened fire, we were scared kids and our fear became our burden. No I do not blame the troops but am sure some of them are having ill feelings as we converse.<br /><br />No would not invite Osama or any terrorist into my home, but surely you do not think we only destroyed one house.<br /><br />I did not oppose going after Bin Laden in Afganistan, and would have chased him anywhere he went, just can not blow up areas because he may be there, price is too high.<br /><br />IMO, the only way to combat terrorist is to seek them out with small forces and using intellengence. Massive frontal attacks, civilian deaths create more hatred of us.<br /><br />I think we need to develop a new strategic plan using small operations groups of well trained search and destroy. Not just firing missles into villages where the bad guy might be.

 

[txswinner]

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QC, I reread my earlier post and my inference of murder is totally improper and I apologize as it does seem I am judging the troops.

 

[QC]

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Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> IMO, the only way to combat terrorist is to seek them out with small forces and using intellengence. Massive frontal attacks, civilian deaths create more hatred of us.<br /><br />I think we need to develop a new strategic plan using small operations groups of well trained search and destroy. Not just firing missles into villages where the bad guy might be.

I wouldn't say the "only way", but I actually agree with you. Have you read Rainbow Six by Clancy? That is precisely what I think we should do in addition to securing democracy in regions that are strategically important to us. Yes, I believe that Iraq is of higher strategic importance to the US and our allies than the Sudan is.

 

[bootle]

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TXS, What are you going on about? <br /><br />What does the supreme court decision concerning terminally ill Americans excercing his or her right to die, rather than have them and their families suffer, have to do with Iraq, Afghanstan or any other country for that matter?

 

[DJ]

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Darth,<br /><br />He's just going "on".

 

[QC]

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Darth,<br /><br />To be fair I would suggest I dragged him off topic. Sorry for the hijack all. The relevance though is in discussing killing and morality . . .