Sure now I find this forum

[jdubschubs]

Well Ive just spent the past 2 days reading and searching the site. Wow great great site. Im sure it will be an everyday visit for me so thanks to all who have posted Ive read and learned a ton. Unfortunatly I found you a little late. Ive just finished a carpet and deck redo on my 2003 Lund Explorer 1675. I busted my tail but its done and I love it now. I got it from someone who didnt care to and wasnt really able too take the proper care of it. So it needed some TLC, and was the only reason I could afford it!

So long story short Ive spent the better part of the last 2 months getting it back in shape. I used 3/4 marine grade ply to replace the 23/32 ext ply. I did not glass or epoxy it...i used 2 coats of a wood preservative from lowes called Termin-8H20. It protects from rot, mildew, pests, warping, etc..It says can be used below or above ground great for docks, boats, lanscaping timbers, etc.

I was fairly confident in it but now 2nd guess not knowing to glass/epoxy it. (however it was not done by the maker). I used contact cement and a good marine carpet. All this talk of prefilling screw holes and 3 to 20 coats of prep have me afraid I may end up doing this again in the future. Say it aint so. Anyway the label on this wood preserve is pretty convincing, its just like a dark wood stain type liquid (very strong smelling) but claims to fit the job I was looking for. any feedback thanks for listening sorry the post is so long...ive been reading for a while

 

[Starcraftguy1]

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I totally refloored my 73 Starcraft as you did.It was about 3 years ago.I sold the boat about 3 months ago to a friend and I still go out in it.The wood is still perfect,the carpet is still on it,just got a lot of catfish and crappie stains all over it.If you keep it covered up and clean you should be alright.

 

[jdubschubs]

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Thanks, you can bet that I will keep this baby covered and protected. that first stain must have been a heart breaker huh!

 

[redfury]

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I wouldn't worry about it too much, it's not like you paid $80/sheet for marine grade plywood and just slapped it in there without any more thought to it.

Keep everything dry, and dry everything when it gets wet...don't get lazy! Open hatches when you aren't using the boat...don't let moisture collect in the boat in any way and you'll have that boat outlast you.

 

[jdubschubs]

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thanks, great pics by the way

 

[fishrdan]

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I'm rebuilding a 01 Crestliner and have been doing the same research for rot-proofing the decks. I'm also using 3/4 marine plywood and have so far treated the decks with a borate solution; borax, boric acid and water boiled up into a clear solution, then painted onto the raw plywood.

http://boatbuilding.com/article.php/ChemotherapyforRot

I'm not convinced this is going to preserve the decks and looking into poly/epoxy sealing the decks. Only problem with sealing the decks, once water gets into the deck (in a perfect world water wouldn't be able to get into a sealed deck) it can't get out and then the rot begins. For us aluminum hull guys, I think the problem with water getting into the deck is harder to control since there are all sorts of screws that go through the deck after it's completely finished. For me it's a tough choice, leave it unsealed so it can dry out when it gets wet or seal it up hoping they wood stays sealed. I live in the desert where the plywood will dry out, other areas probably don't have this luxury because of the high humidity, constant rain and low temps.

Anywho,,, to the main reason for my reply. I saw you mention the Termin-8 H20 and thought I should check it out for my decks. There's 2 flavors of the Termin-8, brown and clear. The brown's (which I think you used) active chemical is copper naphthenate. Copper is very bad for aluminum boats since the copper will react with the aluminum stringers and hull, causing corrosion. Don't know how the clear's zinc naphtenate active chemical a would interact with aluminum?

http://www.bicwarehouse.com/termin-8-h2o-brown-wood-preservative-0916-1.html
http://www.bicwarehouse.com/termin-8-h2o-clear-wood-preservative-0931-1.html

There are many threads here on Iboats discussing the use of treated plywood in aluminum boats and they recommend to isolate the copper treated plywood wood from where it touches the aluminum; poly resin, epoxy, tape, rubber strips, anything to keep the copper treatment off the aluminum.

I would check to see if the product used on the plywood contains copper and if it does, isolate the plywood from touching aluminum.

 

[Starcraftguy1]

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I just got finished with a 1971 Kinner Ski Barge.New floor,stringers,decks,I gelcoated the outside and saw how thick that stuff was.Then when it dried it was so hard and water proof.it cost 59.00 a gallon with hardner,so I used a roller and coated all the stringers and then rolled the bottoms and edges of the plywood that I used for the floor.I glassed the tops of the floor then used the gelcoat on that also.I rolled all my decking after cutting them out and then installed them.Water just beads off.I think that it was a good idea.And not that much more in price then buying 15 differant things to do the same thing.

 

[Mark42]

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I would check to see if the product used on the plywood contains copper and if it does, isolate the plywood from touching aluminum.

BTW, I have found that bicycle and truck inner tubes make a great insulator between materials that you don't want to touch, but have to be tight. Just don't use it where gasoline will be in constant contact, as it will swell. But it does great to islolate materials like aluminum from wood. And it keeps squeeks down too.

 

[jdubschubs]

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Okay so I checked out this Copper naphthenate stuff and I am somewhat relieved. It is non corrosive, and is the same stuff often used in utility poles, bridges, and even in military tents. This site gives incredible detail about this chemical and I think I'll be alright. Its worth checking out this site is a little technical but very infromative. Let me know what you think.

http://www.wheeler-con.com/1wheelerPages/cunaprpt.html

 

[oops!]

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i guys ....welcome to i boats....

it took me 2 month of searching forums to find this site.....im glad i found it....the people here really know there stuff.......and speak plain english....so its easy to understand......

i just want to comment about your choices for wood preservative/intrusion protection.......


let it be known that a plain ol peice of chip board un covered and un protected in a boat can last 5 years.......

its all about storage...and maintenance.....

if you epoxy/glass the deck and gellcoat it....and wrap it with glee.......if you leave it out in the open elements....let it get rained on and snowed on...no tarp....its only gonna last 5 years.

if you take the chip board deck....keep it dry....covered and keep the nose up when storing....i will take you 5 years....mabe longer.....

so have no fear.....unless youve used non compatible materials...like pt with regular screws on alum.....you shouldnt have a problem if you keep your baby warm at night.

cheers
oops

so its all about how you treat your work.....

 

[fishrdan]

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Thanks for posting that info on copper naphthenate jdubschubs, looks like it's not corrosive to aluminum,,, I jumped the gun :redface: I found a site that rates the corrosion characteristics of different wood treatments on metal. Looks like the The copper naphthenate you used is far less corrosive than AQC (bad for aluminum) treated wood and even better then CCA (OK for aluminum) treated wood. Looks like you picked a good product,,, I'm considering it for my decking also.

http://www.anthonyforest.com/pdfs/cunap_corrosivity.pdf

 

[jdubschubs]

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great link fishrdan. I cant believe how much Ive learned from this site and discussions already. I will certainly be passing this on to my buddies.

oops! well put, my Dad has been preaching the same things to me. Ill be taking the boat out Saturday with the Pops for its first trip since the redo. I cant wait nothin better than a day on the water fishing with the old man. I would have never learned half the things I try to tackle now if it wasnt for his help and values of "never pay someone to do something you can do yourself" and "you can show off what you buy to others but you can be proud of what you do for yourself"

 

[fishrdan]

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Yes an awesome site, even I learned something

I know a Jacso chemist from another forum and shot them the question about Termin-8 and aluminum compatibility. I'm really interested in this stuff now and want to see what Jasco has to say about their copper naphthenate products and which they recommend for aluminum, maybe they are all OK.

I'll post back what I find.

 

[triumphrick]

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I cant wait nothin better than a day on the water fishing with the old man. I would have never learned half the things I try to tackle now if it wasnt for his help and values of "never pay someone to do something you can do yourself" and "you can show off what you buy to others but you can be proud of what you do for yourself"

Great testimonial for the both of you.

Please follow up with us on your trip and I think we all know way ahead of time how proud the old man is going to be of his son.

Good job, "son".

 

[keepNitreel]

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Boy jdubschubs, looks like what you thought was the wrong way turned into a good find and has created a buzzz. This is something that I might use in my project. Thanks for sharing.

 

[jennis9]

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Keep this one going guys - I am intrigued. We might tackle the deck of our 20' aluminum openbow this winter - this information may be a nice solution.

Although we would prefer to NOT have carpet on our deck since we get quite a haul of fish for the summer season. Less stink and mess.

Do you think we could use this application with truckbed liner as the top of the deck? Just one more idea to throw out into the mix.

 

[jdubschubs]

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Well the first trip went great. Dad and I had a blast! Fishin was decent couple nice largemouths and 2 smallies. The boat ran great and felt like a new one! Beautiful weather and a great day to be out, we topped it of right with a trip to the lakeside inn for some wings and cold ones.

jennis9 the label reads that it can be used as a primer and painted so rhino liner should work over it

 

[redfury]

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One of our members redid a aluminum beautifully, and used professionally sprayed on truck liner for the entire inside of his boat where it had been previously carpeted. It looks great, didn't add a horrible amount of weight, and for the cost vs. the convenience would probably recommend it over most decking materials you could use. IF you can shoulder the expense, you won't be disappointed.