Sweat Shops

[Fly Rod]

Pentagon gave a New Bedford Massachusetts sweat shop that has hired hundreds of illegal imigrants tens of millions of dollars in military contract orders. The garment factory was raided by Home Land Security Agents. The defense department was warned over a year ago to look into possible violations of health and safety allegations.

The Pentagon has done little or nothing to crack down on contractors that hire illegals. The Michael Bianco Inc. has received $221 million in military contracts to make backpacks and vests.

Since the sweat shop was raided, the government has said that no futher contracts will be awarded to the Bianco Inc. company, but the company still stands to make $47 million in back orders.

"That's America folks!!!" 8)

 

[rolmops]

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There is always a reason why somebody has the lowest bid.
It also opens up a can of worms.
What will you do to illegal aliens who actively support the war effort?

 

[12Footer]

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Just as with a certain local gated community i will not name, it's not the same thing for the DHS to receive "warnings", and a criminal investigation. Stuff has to happen before the time arrests can be made in conjunction with those warnings or tips.. I think if you read thehttp://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/070306boston.htm] rest of the story from the horse's mouth[/url] (so to speak), you'd find that it took about one year to infiltrate and investigate the "sweat shop", to get to the roots.... Just like weeds, if you don't get the roots, the weed re-grows.
Sure, the story can be -- and has been spun to meet a certain criteria, but that's what you get for trusting the NYTimes.

 

[rolmops]

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Just as with a certain local gated community i will not name, it's not the same thing for the DHS to receive "warnings", and a criminal investigation. Stuff has to happen before the time arrests can be made in conjunction with those warnings or tips.. I think if you read thehttp://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/070306boston.htm] rest of the story from the horse's mouth[/url] (so to speak), you'd find that it took about one year to infiltrate and investigate the "sweat shop", to get to the roots.... Just like weeds, if you don't get the roots, the weed re-grows.
Sure, the story can be -- and has been spun to meet a certain criteria, but that's what you get for trusting the NYTimes.

Me thinks that Flyrod reads "The Boston Globe"

 

[Coors]

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Since when have the criminal illegals supported the war effort? All I have seen is demonstrations, saying " this is our land".

 

[rolmops]

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Since when have the criminal illegals supported the war effort? All I have seen is demonstrations, saying " this is our land".

All I know is that they are illegal aliens.It does not say anywhere that they are criminals.
Like it or not. By working to supply the troops with clothing and gear,they do support the war effort.

 

[Plainsman]

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There is always a reason why somebody has the lowest bid.
It also opens up a can of worms.
What will you do to illegal aliens who actively support the war effort?

Detain them and send them home. They are still here illegally. They can support the war effort from their home country or come back here legally.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Since when have the criminal illegals supported the war effort? All I have seen is demonstrations, saying " this is our land".

All I know is that they are illegal aliens.It does not say anywhere that they are criminals.
Like it or not. By working to supply the troops with clothing and gear,they do support the war effort.

[colour=blue]Come on here Rolmops: if ya break a law or laws that makes ya a criminal. Hard to understand? Yah: I know it is. Got some smoke, where can I get some? JR[/colour]

 

[Plainsman]

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Come on OMR, we can't call them iIlegal Aliens, not PC ya know? They are disenfrancised, or misplaced or whatever stupid word the left has for them is week.. The left just can't seem to use the word illegal, even if it is what they are. Thay need the votes of illegals and convicted felons don't ya know?

Lock 'em up and send them home and fine the crap out of the compaines that hire them. Not rocket science here. We don't need new laws, we just need to enforce the laws on the books.

 

[JB]

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"All I know is that they are illegal aliens.It does not say anywhere that they are criminals."

It says so right here, rolmops: "People who break laws are criminals".

What OMR said.

The Pentagon procurement department is not in the business of criminal investigation. Homeland Security is.

 

[rolmops]

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"All I know is that they are illegal aliens.It does not say anywhere that they are criminals."

It says so right here, rolmops: "People who break laws are criminals".

What OMR said.

The Pentagon procurement department is not in the business of criminal investigation. Homeland Security is.

JB,I am sure that you are a law abiding citizen,but did you ever drive through a stop sign or park in a no parking zone?
If so,you broke the law. I do not think that this makes you a criminal.But according to your own reasoning,it makes you a criminal.
I agree that illegal aliens broke the law, but I do not think that doing everything that is in ones power to live the American dream without stealing or robbing makes you a criminal.
To find the gates closed in a country that has a text on the Statue of Liberty that goes like "give me your poor",is a mixed message.Finding plenty of Americans who will give you a job,is a mixed message.
I will agree that they are breaking the law.I do not think that they are criminals

 

[12Footer]

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Me thinks that Flyrod reads "The Boston Globe"

There is a difference? LOL

 

[Plainsman]

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"All I know is that they are illegal aliens.It does not say anywhere that they are criminals."

It says so right here, rolmops: "People who break laws are criminals".

What OMR said.

The Pentagon procurement department is not in the business of criminal investigation. Homeland Security is.

JB,I am sure that you are a law abiding citizen,but did you ever drive through a stop sign or park in a no parking zone?
If so,you broke the law. I do not think that this makes you a criminal.But according to your own reasoning,it makes you a criminal.
I agree that illegal aliens broke the law, but I do not think that doing everything that is in ones power to live the American dream without stealing or robbing makes you a criminal.
To find the gates closed in a country that has a text on the Statue of Liberty that goes like "give me your poor",is a mixed message.Finding plenty of Americans who will give you a job,is a mixed message.
I will agree that they are breaking the law.I do not think that they are criminals

Then they should not be marching around waving the mexican flag demanding rights from this country!!! that thet do not deserve. Asimulate to this country, we all know that the ones here are going to get a pass sooner or later. Become an American or get out.

 

[POINTER94]

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Rolmops, comparing people using armed guards who shoot at boarder patrol agents to be smuggled into the US, a place they know they are not allowed, work illegally, and then demand social services, isn't quite the same as driving threw a stop sign.

I guess someone who kills someone but hasn't yet been arrested really isn't a crimminal either.

As for the story, I find it interesting. When we subcontract to someone to build something for us, lets say an engine block, we own the patterns. If they break the contract or force a breach in the deal, we still own the patterns, tooling, etc. and can take it to someone else to continue the production. I question this "backorder" arrangement.

 

[Fly Rod]

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1st, rolmops is close, the Herald was my 2nd source. The Boston Globe is a communist paper(liberal) and my first was TV with the federal marshals hauling them away and flying them to Texas.

2nd, 12footer, I read two pages of the news and it really didn't need to be infiltrated for a year or two and I'm sure no one wanted to read two pages of the crape.

3rd, when the federal marshals were putting them on the buses to take them away there was an up roar from the public as to, "how could they seperate the people from their children?"

I say "process them and send them back to where they came from."

 

[Limited-Time]

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I will agree that they are breaking the law.I do not think that they are criminals

What other laws can I break and still not be considered a criminal?? And what exactly do I tell the police and or Judge if they happen to question me on these issues??

 

[JB]

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Yes, rolmops, by my reasoning I would be a criminal if I ran a stop sign. . .particularly if I planned and conspired to run it. We could quibble about the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony.

And, by my reasoning people who plan, conspire and even risk their lives to break our immigration laws are criminals. More, they are felons.

If you rob a store, assault a citizen or commit some other felony you go to jail. If your babies have a tough time because of that it isn't the law's fault, it is yours. Parenthood, going to church, or even being a hard working upstanding citizen do not confer immunity to the law.

If my President's plan is enacted and those criminals are allowed to pay fines, serve probation, then get in line for possible citizenship it is okay with me. If they are allowed temporary work permits and are required to go home when the permit expires that is also okay with me.

Then they would be obeying the law, working for a living and paying taxes to provide the services they require. That is all I require of them. If they can't/won't use English they don't do business with me. That is my perogative.

 

[rolmops]

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Yes, rolmops, by my reasoning I would be a criminal if I ran a stop sign. . .particularly if I planned and conspired to run it. We could quibble about the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony.

And, by my reasoning people who plan, conspire and even risk their lives to break our immigration laws are criminals. More, they are felons.

If you rob a store, assault a citizen or commit some other felony you go to jail. If your babies have a tough time because of that it isn't the law's fault, it is yours. Parenthood, going to church, or even being a hard working upstanding citizen do not confer immunity to the law.

If my President's plan is enacted and those criminals are allowed to pay fines, serve probation, then get in line for possible citizenship it is okay with me. If they are allowed temporary work permits and are required to go home when the permit expires that is also okay with me.

Then they would be obeying the law, working for a living and paying taxes to provide the services they require. That is all I require of them. If they can't/won't use English they don't do business with me. That is my perogative.

That would be fair enough by my standards.
My purpose in this thread is exposing the double standards that are very obviously in place.
According to some statistics 23 billion dollars a year are sent back to Mexico by illegal workers.If these people earn $10 dollars per hour,that would be 230 billion hours worked yearly,never mind the time used for personal expenses like food and housing.
That shows some awfully big double standards,and it shows the economical need that this country has for this labor force.

 

[tommays]

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I find the law is bent to allow people to come and work against local people like my SIL who just got her LPN

She has to go against H1C Nurse Visas that were created IMHP to keep the wage from finding is own level

In my plant 18 years ago before things really got out of control local housewifes did the work again with the huge influx of workers from other places the wages have been kept artificially low


The vinyards up here built grape picking machines in other places it has been cheeper to keep the inport labor than invest in any technology that works toward automation of back breaking labor


In all reality at least here we have just built a different kinda of migrant labor camp right in the middle of the comunity with out of control child birth rates that are allready hitting us very hard with social problems


Tommays

 

[POINTER94]

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If that is your goal rolmops than add in the fact there is more than a double standard. Cubans who can actually avoid the coast guard and the boarder patrol and can physically touch US soil, they can stay. If caught 100 yards off the beach, back they go. What kind of policy is that?

We yell and scream about how employers treat their employee's with regards to conditions and wages and then provide them with a covert work force who will not report or testify against these abusers. And the government just lets more and more of these people in. This adversely affects everyone. Jobs people won't do? Please, go to a factory, any factory and take a look at who is doing the labor, then take a look at a picture of the line say 25 years ago. Jobs nobody will do? What a joke.

Chineese show up in container ships as stowaways, people who really are escaping political oppression and we pack them up and send them back. Mexicans, come on in, order a pizza, we accept pecos.

Those from India, come on in and take those high tech jobs that we have nobody to fill? Horsehockey. Those from the middle east come on over on virtually any visa and stay as long as you want. We know the visas are expired but we would want to offend anyone.

Immigration is a disgrace, and it IS all Bush's fault.

Made in America used to mean something. Now it is made in america, with chineese parts, assembled by mexicans by a company incorporated out of the bahamas.