Switching from aluminum to stainless steel prop

badcarma58

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I want to upgrade to a stainless steel props.

I am currently running 14 3/4 x 21 aluminum on two engines.

What size stainless steel props do I need? I heard that you have to increase pitch by one degree in you go to stainless, or decrease by one degree in you go from stainless to aluminum.

I've looked for information everywhere, but can't find anything
 

SparkieBoat

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Re: Switching from aluminum to stainless steel prop

I have heard that you have to drop 1 pitch when going to SS to keep same RPM range, but of course depends on diameter and cup of blades and 3 blade or 4 blade makes difference too...what engines are you running?? and what is your RPMs at WOT unloaded/loaded??
 

badcarma58

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Re: Switching from aluminum to stainless steel prop

I have twin 4.3 ltr Mercruisers on a 27 Sundancer. WOT is 4800. I am running a 3 blade aluminum on each. The book calls for 13 3/4 x 21. It came with 14 1/4 x 21 when I bought it.
I bought stainless on another boat, but it was a single drive. I know that does make a difference in a conversion. But, I remember that I had to change the pitch when I went to stainless. I just can't remember, or find, what I need to convert to. Also, I know it makes a difference with twin drives also. The michigan wheel website, where i thought I'd get the info, was no help. I've yahooed, and googled, with no answers there either...

Any information would be appreciated.
 

Silvertip

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Re: Switching from aluminum to stainless steel prop

Is 4800 rpm what you actually see on the tach or is that what Mercruiser "recommends?" Unless we know how the boat performs with what you currently have we cannot begin to tell you what you need. And remember also that when you change prop manufacturers and prop styles you introduce a couple more variables into the mix. This is why prop selection is such a crap shoot. To put this in perspective, a 13-3/4 x 21 prop from manufacturer "A" may not and probably will not perform the same as 13-3/4 x 21 prop from manufacturer "B". In fact two props from the same manufacturer but different models will also not perform the same. We really need some performance data to work with.
 

badcarma58

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Re: Switching from aluminum to stainless steel prop

Manufacturers suggested WOT is 4500-4800 rpm. I have never ran open throttle fearing I'd damage an engine. I've only had up to 3500 rmp max. I've only put about 13 hours on the engines since I've had the boat one season.

Michigan Wheel is what is on it now. I've always used MW on previous boats, and will probably continue with them since I've never had a problem with them.

The book calls for 13 3/4 x 21 and the previous owner put 14 1/4 x 21 on them, so I know he's already upgraded diameter.

I basically want to try to get more speed. My stainless on my other boat gave me a little more at the same rpms.

If running a 14 1/4 x 21 stainless performs the same as an aluminum counterpart, I'll stay with the same dimensions. I just thought that you had to automatically go up or down one degree if going to stainless from aluminum. That's what a mechanic at a marina told me, I just can't remember which direction to go.
 

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Re: Switching from aluminum to stainless steel prop

Manufacturers suggested WOT is 4500-4800 rpm. I have never ran open throttle fearing I'd damage an engine. I've only had up to 3500 rmp max. I've only put about 13 hours on the engines since I've had the boat one season.

Ayuh,... You have NONE of the Critical answers to the questions in the link I posted....

Without that Critical Info,...
There just Ain't No answers...


Btw,... Props are measured in Inches, not degrees...
 

torbjorn

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Re: Switching from aluminum to stainless steel prop

No, you don't have to change the pitch.
 

SparkieBoat

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Re: Switching from aluminum to stainless steel prop

if 4800 is the top of your motors operating range, then I would say either drop 1 pitch or drop 1" Dia. this should keep you in the same operating range. If you do not change pitch it will probably lower your RPM at WOT some, although it should still be in the recommended range. it will not hurt the engine to run it at the top of its range but you will see better fuel MPG at 3500 RPM. Whatever you do please post your results for others to learn by. Thanks
 

badcarma58

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Re: Switching from aluminum to stainless steel prop

Ayuh... I think I have answered all the questions to essential data.

ESSENTIAL DATA REQUIRED
When posting a question about propellers, you cannot get a reasonable answer unless you provide the following information in your post: Items 1-4 are essential for meaningful response to most questions.
1) Performance issue you are trying to correct. Answer: Speed. As listed above.
2) Current prop manufacturer, model, aluminum or stainless as a minimum. Answer: Mich Wheel Alum. As listed above.
3) Current prop diameter and pitch (required). Answer: 14 1/4 x 21. As listed above.
4) Wide open throttle RPM and speed with an average load (very helpful) Answer 4500- 4800. As listed above.
5) Engine/drive make, model, year, and HP. Answer: 4.3 liter Merc 1987 270 Sundancer. As listed above.
6) Boat make model, year, length and weight Answer: see number 5

And, BTW, Diameter is measured in Inches. Pitch is in degrees...

Thanks Everyone for the serious input given. I do remember someone telling me that a SS prop with same dimensions will lower my rpms a little bit.

Goodnight
 

SparkieBoat

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Re: Switching from aluminum to stainless steel prop

pitch is measured in inches also not degrees..your last statment is true, but there are many variances
 

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Re: Switching from aluminum to stainless steel prop

I have never ran open throttle fearing I'd damage an engine. I've only had up to 3500 rmp max.

My point is, We know what the Recommended rpms are, but you've Never tried to run WOT...

You don't Know it'll run 4800rpms according to your statements....

It may run at 4000rpms, or 5000rpms with it current props at Wot......
 

Silvertip

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Re: Switching from aluminum to stainless steel prop

Badcarma, a boat, unlike a car, has no transmission so the prop must get the boat out of the hole without struggling. It must also allow comfortable cruise rpm and also run wide open with engine rpm at or very close the maximum recommended with what YOU consider an average load. What you consider an average load my be very different than what I or others consider an average load. Each of those loads may require a different prop. Next -- props have many design factors besides just diameter and pitch. Cupping, rake, blade area, blade shape are just few. If you looked long and hard at prop specs you will see that in many cases, within the same prop model, diameter goes up slightly when pitch comes down and vice versa. Besides, prop diameter has little to do with performance -- it is part of the prop design. As Bond-O points out, until you run this boat at wide open throttle with an average load and note speed and engine rpm you have no idea if the prop you have is correct. If you don't know it is currently correct you have no idea whether what you buy to replace it is correct either. If the prop is wrong at WOT it is wrong across the entire rpm band. As for damaging the engine, if 4800 rpm will damage the engine, why do you think Mercruiser set the red line at that RPM? You don't have to run WOT all the time -- that's why boats have throttles. But you do need to run it wide open for testing purposes and to ensure you are not lugging the engine, thus burning more fuel than necessary, and getting poor performance in the process. Do as you are asked for testing and we can help. Without test data you get "speculation".
 

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Re: Switching from aluminum to stainless steel prop

Manufacturers suggested WOT is 4500-4800 rpm. I have never ran open throttle fearing I'd damage an engine. I've only had up to 3500 rmp max.
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I basically want to try to get more speed.

Easy answer to get more speed: open the throttle wider. No need to change props.

I haven't yet seen the MODEL of propeller posted. Michigan Wheel makes more than one model.
Pitch is measured in inches; a 21" pitch propeller moves forward 21" with each full revolution of the propeller.
 
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