SX-M repainting tips needed

Wanna Tango

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Hi everyone. Have a 2000 VP SX-M that I removed and had sandblasted to remove all the various (many) coats of different paints and bottom coat paints.
Been researching and reading other similar posts on this forum and get more and more confused as to what to use for base coat/primer. There are thoughts that you should use zinc phosphate primer and others that you should use other stuff.
I went to the Volvo Penta shop I have nearby and he was telling me just go with the VP Blue Grey Primer P/N 1141562 since I am bare metal and the paint with VP Spray Enamel P/N 3851219.
Am I overthinking this or is this right approach? I don’t want to do ALL this work just to put the boat in the water and 3 mi the later all the paint is gone.
Any tips will definitely help this diy’er. Thanks!
 

Donald0039

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Hi everyone. Have a 2000 VP SX-M that I removed and had sandblasted to remove all the various (many) coats of different paints and bottom coat paints.
Been researching and reading other similar posts on this forum and get more and more confused as to what to use for base coat/primer. There are thoughts that you should use zinc phosphate primer and others that you should use other stuff.
I went to the Volvo Penta shop I have nearby and he was telling me just go with the VP Blue Grey Primer P/N 1141562 since I am bare metal and the paint with VP Spray Enamel P/N 3851219.
Am I overthinking this or is this right approach? I don’t want to do ALL this work just to put the boat in the water and 3 mi the later all the paint is gone.
Any tips will definitely help this diy’er. Thanks!
Go to Boatered.com. Look under Engines, etc and there is a pinned thread on repainting outdrives. It's the prep that's important. Forget self etching primer.
It's an excellent writeup.
 

Scott Danforth

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I use Moeller zinc dichromate primer (rattle can)

Followed by an epoxy primer (touchup gun) and then base coat and a final coat of clear

I do not moore my boat, those that do can comment on layers of bottom paint.
 

kd4pbs

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There are two ways to paint aluminum; the right way and the wrong way.
Scott outlined the right way. Some people even use Alodine as the first coat on Aluminum. I've done both in the past, but I never kept the boats long enough to be able to give any input on whether or not the Alodine made things hold up longer. Logic and other people's experience in finishing aluminum seem to indicate it is batter than the zinc chromate itself.
Zinc chromate primer has been harder to obtain lately, so this time around I decided to go with the easily obtained zinc phosphate. If I keep this boat long enough, I'll have more experience as to whether or not it's as good as the chromate version.
You'll likely find lots more accurate info about the subject from aircraft restoration forums than from boat forums just because those who deal with aircraft refinishing usually have more knowledge and experience with finishing aluminum than Jim Bob with a rattle can.
Just slapping on some kind of unknown primer as your base coat sounds like a great way to get more practice stripping and painting aluminum in the near future.
 

Donald0039

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There are two ways to paint aluminum; the right way and the wrong way.
Scott outlined the right way. Some people even use Alodine as the first coat on Aluminum. I've done both in the past, but I never kept the boats long enough to be able to give any input on whether or not the Alodine made things hold up longer. Logic and other people's experience in finishing aluminum seem to indicate it is batter than the zinc chromate itself.
Zinc chromate primer has been harder to obtain lately, so this time around I decided to go with the easily obtained zinc phosphate. If I keep this boat long enough, I'll have more experience as to whether or not it's as good as the chromate version.
You'll likely find lots more accurate info about the subject from aircraft restoration forums than from boat forums just because those who deal with aircraft refinishing usually have more knowledge and experience with finishing aluminum than Jim Bob with a rattle can.
Just slapping on some kind of unknown primer as your base coat sounds like a great way to get more practice stripping and painting aluminum in the near future.
A self etching primer may well etch the aluminum but whatever is removed from the aluminum will dry as part of the primer. Do you really want that?
 

kd4pbs

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I am not sure I understand… the primer does not leave a residue or remove aluminum. It chemically etches through whatever oxide layer there may be and attaches to the aluminum chemically as well. Any conversion which is done from the reaction is indeed what we want, because paint won’t stick to aluminum oxide very well at all. The zinc acts as a less noble metal element which effectively neutralizes any galvanic reaction from happening if small amounts of moisture reaches the base metal. On top of this base primer,, an epoxy primer effectively seals the base layer and gives the base color coat or one step finish coat an excellent coating in which to adhere that is compatible with enamel, lacquer, or urethane.
This is a well known industry standard process for painting aluminum. The OEM would have done the same thing, which is why it is best to leave as much original paint as possible if a pristine finish appearance is not a requirement on a boat.
 

Donald0039

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I am not sure I understand… the primer does not leave a residue or remove aluminum. It chemically etches through whatever oxide layer there may be and attaches to the aluminum chemically as well. Any conversion which is done from the reaction is indeed what we want, because paint won’t stick to aluminum oxide very well at all. The zinc acts as a less noble metal element which effectively neutralizes any galvanic reaction from happening if small amounts of moisture reaches the base metal. On top of this base primer,, an epoxy primer effectively seals the base layer and gives the base color coat or one step finish coat an excellent coating in which to adhere that is compatible with enamel, lacquer, or urethane.
This is a well known industry standard process for painting aluminum. The OEM would have done the same thing, which is why it is best to leave as much original paint as possible if a pristine finish appearance is not a requirement on a boat.
Painting Aluminum. It should be an oxymoron. But it happens. Especially aluminum out drives. I recently pulled my Mercruiser Bravo III. After 4 years of my paint job on it, not a single square inch of paint had eroded or peeled from the unit. Here is how I did it and some rules to remember when painting aluminum.

Number one. Aluminum will not take paint. Not bare aluminum, not etched aluminum? Surprised at “etched aluminum"? You see a lot of primers that say, “self etching". Well etching is the process of using acids or bases to remove aluminum oxide and other contaminants. Where do the contaminants and oxides go in a “self etching" paint? That is correct, they are contained in the paint job. How long and how durable is a paint job with “self etching" paint after all those contaminants are contained therein?

Number two. Alodine will adhere tenaciously to aluminum and paint tenaciously to alodine. So alodine is our “negotiator" to paint aluminum. It provides the intermediary between paint and aluminum.

Surface prep. A lot of options here. If the paint job is original Mercruiser it comes off very easy because Mercruiser has a poor process. You can sand it off for the most part. If you want, you can get some “aircraft stripper" available at most automotive paint stores or Aircraft Spruce. The main difference here is the amount of ammonia in the stripper. What is critical in this process is to place several plastic bags over the input shaft and bearings and the prop shaft and carrier bearings and hold them in place with tape. If you have a nearby facility that does plastic bead blast paint removal, like an aircraft paint shop, they can clean off your drive as well. Just make sure to cover the pitot tube entrance on your drive. DO NOT SODA BLAST. You will make the etching process a very difficult one. Get the drive as best you can down to bare metal. DO NOT USE STEEL BRUSHES, STEEL WOOL, STAINLESS STELL BRUSHES, etc anywhere, any time. Always use aluminum oxide sandpaper and if you want a “brush" use Scotchbrite pad.

Etching. I use AlumnaPrep 33 available at Aircraft Spruce. You dilute it 1 part to 3 parts water. A quart bottle is more than enough for one drive. Follow the instructions on the bottle. USE RUBBER GLOVES. Brush the solution on generously. If you see a spot repel the solution it may have grease on it. Degrease it with acetone or MEK and put on more Alumnaprep. Leave the Alumanprep on at least 3 minutes then flush with fresh water. Use a hose. Flush like crazy. Your drive should have a dull but bright look to it after etching. Allow drive to air dry.

Alodine. Again available at Aircraft Spruce. Do not dilute. A quart will do a drive. Brush it on your dried, etched drive. Again, if you areas that are aluminum that repels the alodine, you go to de-grease. Clean and re-etch. Then alodine. Do not flush the alodine, allow it to air dry on. Your drive should have a nice “golden" tint to the bare metal.

Paint. Here is where you have some choices. I personally prefer two part epoxy polyurethanes. They are extremely durable, flexible (hard paints crack), and give an easy and very shiny finish that remains that way. The only negative is, any corrosion occurring beneath the paint surface will not be visible. The paint may bubble, but the coating will remain intact. Make sure you have sanded and etched away all previous corrosion before painting. I use Southern Polyurethanes. The other negative to polyurethane is you want a very good respirator and face shield when you paint. You can get one a Home Depot. Do not get the disposable kind. Get a 3M 4000 or 5000. Do not allow this stuff to get in your lungs. It does not come out, ever. Make sure your mask seals tightly around your face. If you have a beard, shave it.

Priming. I use Southern Polyurethanes Epoxy Primer. For a Mercruiser use black. Follow the instructions for mixing the hardener with the paint, (It is one to one). I use a small eight-ounce touch up gun. It just about covers a drive. First spray a flash coat, and then come back with a wet coat. After this when the wet coat is highly tacky and not subject to running, come back again with a full second coat. If you feel rich and want to burn some paint put on a third.

Zinc-Chromate Primer. A lot of people swear by this stuff. It is very good coating on etched aluminum, but not under water! It contains zinc! Think about that for a moment? There is one place to use zinc-chromate. On your bearing carrier after repainting the drive.

Color Coat. I use Southern Polyurethanes Universal Black, 4000 series. Again just like the primer, activate it one to one. Spray a flash coat then a wet coat. I do two applications. You'll like this step because you'll be amazed at how bright and shiny your drive is.

Clear Coat. You can (optional) clear coat your drive with Southern Polyurethanes Clear 4000 series. Do it just like the color coat. You can buff it if you want. Alternatively you can put on clear anti-fouling. You have to be prepared that clear anti fouling will “degloss" your finish and after a few weeks in the water, it looks like your drive is “cloudy". Your underlying polyurethane finish is intact and is fine.

Refinishing. As I said, I recently removed my drive and the paint was intact, but I wanted to “clean her up". I removed the clear anti fouling with #60 sandpaper. I roughed up the polyurethane finish coat with #60. In the process, I broke through to bare metal in a couple of spots. No problem. Etch those spots with AlumnaPrep, then alodine them. I sprayed two coats of Epoxy Primer, two Coats of 4000 black, then two Coats of Clear. Here are the results. Note the sheen near the bottom of the drive.
 

kd4pbs

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Certainly Alumiprep and Alodine is the ultimate prep and first coat. I would never use it again because of hydrofluoric acid and hexavalent chromium.
 

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It is only hazardous if you let it be hazardous. The heavy chem gloves to keep it off your hands, respirator with correct filter to keep it out of your lungs and goggles to keep it out of your eyes. Long sleeves and pants with proper footwear is good too.
 

wellcraftpower

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Go to Boatered.com. Look under Engines, etc and there is a pinned thread on repainting outdrives. It's the prep that's important. Forget self etching primer.
It's an excellent writeup.
when i repaint anything I always shoot one coat of epoxy primer on everything. the best Epoxy is dp40 but it's expensive. You can use omin epoxy which is reasonable. 2 to 1 mixing with hardener. 1 coat. Epoxy should always be sprayed over bare metal first. Ive been painting for 40 years and have my own body shop.
 

kd4pbs

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No, I am pretty sure it is hazardous regardless of whether I wear protective equipment or not. But if playing with certain death in a bottle sounds fun to you, then I would certainly not begrudge anyone that right. I did not mind doing it once. Now I am left with trying to figure out how to dispose of it properly.
 
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